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It's sad to hear the news that the official releases will hardly be better than a laserdisc transfer. But if there was ever a time when the the X0 Project could show people what LFL should have done, it is now.
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Originally posted by: Zion
We are going to do our absolute best to get ANH done by then. This thread may not be open to discussion anymore after that.
We are going to do our absolute best to get ANH done by then. This thread may not be open to discussion anymore after that.
May I ask why? Isn't this thread about the entire X0 project and not just ANH? What about the remaining two movies......
Even if the project and the X0 website are forced underground why then would the discussion about it have to be as well? Is it illegal to discuss something?
Please understand I'm not trying to sound like a smart a$$, I'm just a little freaked by your statment and I am doing my best to make sense of it.
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You are correct though, the X0 Project will live on past just the laserdisc transfering of the Star Wars films. What we do next is still up in the air, and it certainly should be allowed to be discussed here.
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Originally posted by: Zion
We are discussing locking all existing LD transfer threads after the OUT DVDs are released. The rules state that any preservation project of something that is available on DVD is prohibited. So it may happen that all SW preservation threads are closed. I stress the word may because nothing has been 100% decided yet. Jay, Moth3r and I still need to come to a conclusion on what to do.
You are correct though, the X0 Project will live on past just the laserdisc transfering of the Star Wars films. What we do next is still up in the air, and it certainly should be allowed to be discussed here.
We are discussing locking all existing LD transfer threads after the OUT DVDs are released. The rules state that any preservation project of something that is available on DVD is prohibited. So it may happen that all SW preservation threads are closed. I stress the word may because nothing has been 100% decided yet. Jay, Moth3r and I still need to come to a conclusion on what to do.
You are correct though, the X0 Project will live on past just the laserdisc transfering of the Star Wars films. What we do next is still up in the air, and it certainly should be allowed to be discussed here.
So, in January, when the DVD's are no longer available in retail, is it okay again? I mean, I know you are still hammering these things out, but that is worth keeping in mind, too. There is about a 4 month window before these will be out of print all over again. It's odd.
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I really wouldn't be suprised if the X0 release looks better than any release using the 2006 DVDs as a source, since the video's only been through a compressor on the final step. Not to mention the PCM audio, which I hope is undergoing equal care.
Disclaimer: I'm slightly jaded when it comes to lossy compression in general.
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Originally posted by: Zion
We are discussing locking all existing LD transfer threads after the OUT DVDs are released. The rules state that any preservation project of something that is available on DVD is prohibited. So it may happen that all SW preservation threads are closed. I stress the word may because nothing has been 100% decided yet. Jay, Moth3r and I still need to come to a conclusion on what to do.
You are correct though, the X0 Project will live on past just the laserdisc transfering of the Star Wars films. What we do next is still up in the air, and it certainly should be allowed to be discussed here.
We are discussing locking all existing LD transfer threads after the OUT DVDs are released. The rules state that any preservation project of something that is available on DVD is prohibited. So it may happen that all SW preservation threads are closed. I stress the word may because nothing has been 100% decided yet. Jay, Moth3r and I still need to come to a conclusion on what to do.
You are correct though, the X0 Project will live on past just the laserdisc transfering of the Star Wars films. What we do next is still up in the air, and it certainly should be allowed to be discussed here.
Zion,
Thank you for the quick response. Yes, I think it would be wonderful to use the X0 you guys have access to to restore other lost films that are in need of restoration.....
However, maybe I wasn't clear in my questioning...what I really wanted clarification on was your statement, "We are going to do our absolute best to get ANH done by then. This thread may not be open to discussion anymore after that." That sounds like to me that the X0 releases of ESB and ROTJ would be left out and not finished....is that true? If the X0 ANH is finished as the official DVDs are released how could the other two movies in the triliogy be worked on and finished if this thread and the X0 project get locked down?
My apologies if I still haven't made my concerns clear enough yet.......getting my thoughts down in the written word is difficult for me sometimes....
Thanks in advance for your answer....
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)"Not to mention the PCM audio, which I hope is undergoing equal care."
Digital captures. Pure PCM.
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One thing that people frequently forget about DVD is that it's lossy compressed video.
Composite analogue video, as present on laserdisc, is also a form of lossy compression, and worse than MPEG2 to my mind. I'd take a well-encoded DVD over a well-pressed laserdisc any day (assuming otherwise identical content).
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Yes, since he is using the LD masters. Thus, the X0 Project, using roughly the same source, has an excellent opportunity to surpass (if not leapfrog) the LFL DVDs.
Yes, since he is using the LD masters. Thus, the X0 Project, using roughly the same source, has an excellent opportunity to surpass (if not leapfrog) the LFL DVDs.
Not to dampen the enthusiasm but i think the official disks will be somewhat better, simply because they are using the masters. Even though its a non-anamorphic transfer, a dvd release from the Laserdisk master will still be higher in resolution than a Laserdisk from the Laserdisk master. I dont doubt that the XO project will give it a run for its money though.
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
The X0 transfer will be cleaned up frame by frame. LFL won't do this.
The X0 transfer will be cleaned up frame by frame. LFL won't do this.
True but a lot of the "clean up" is really just transfer errors introduced when it was put on Laserdisk and not necessarily from the original material. It appears Lucasfilm is also doing some digital cleanup to try and squeeze as much quality out of these as can be done (which is to say, not much; also not frame-by-fram stuff but merely filters and the like--or so its been reported).
But anyway go XO go. Will be interesting to see how close it compares with the official dvd.
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This is exactly why, I hope that the X0 team will release at least, ANH on or around the time that this official set is released, so we can ALL see for ourselves,in a side by side comparison,I am just not buying all this hear say on this release by GL untill I have it in my hands on Sept. 12, 2006,I refuse to believe that he is just going to throw this out there,and make it NO better than ALL our LD captures,but I could be wrong,time will tell.
just my thoughts,i cant believe all this pre-release speculation chatter and rumors,damn! we only have about 4 months to wait and we will all see.
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DE, while your statement is not incorrect, it ignores the fact that the LFL DVDs will be made from the same composite master as the LDs themselves, so it doesn't make much of a difference in this case. It's true that both versions will have their issues. LDs, being analog, are hard to reproduce with the maximum possible quality and far more often than not the step will be lossy, while the DVD can be reproduced accurately with ease but will have compression effects that can't be improved on regardless of player. However, I trust that the very reason the X0 Project exists is to address the former issue, which is why LDs will probably have the edge in this case(ignoring resolution).
Digital captures. Pure PCM.
Hopefully not with an Audigy card though. Digital captures. Pure PCM.
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Originally posted by: vbangle
However, maybe I wasn't clear in my questioning...what I really wanted clarification on was your statement, "We are going to do our absolute best to get ANH done by then. This thread may not be open to discussion anymore after that." That sounds like to me that the X0 releases of ESB and ROTJ would be left out and not finished....is that true? If the X0 ANH is finished as the official DVDs are released how could the other two movies in the triliogy be worked on and finished if this thread and the X0 project get locked down?
However, maybe I wasn't clear in my questioning...what I really wanted clarification on was your statement, "We are going to do our absolute best to get ANH done by then. This thread may not be open to discussion anymore after that." That sounds like to me that the X0 releases of ESB and ROTJ would be left out and not finished....is that true? If the X0 ANH is finished as the official DVDs are released how could the other two movies in the triliogy be worked on and finished if this thread and the X0 project get locked down?
In light of vbangle's question, I have a little suggestion (for what it's worth). Can we at least have the restored Lapti Nek and Yub Nub scenes from ROTJ included in ANH as extras? If I had to compromise, I suppose I could live with that.
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LOL...no, it doesn't mean that, simply that it may not be permissible to discuss the X0 Project on these boards at that point.
And rennervision, you'll get your scenes - and exactly where they belong, too.
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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>