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http://www.x0project.com/graphics/SHAW-th.jpg

Woo Hoo, ive got a goooooooooood feeling about this
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Holy! That one comparison shot on the site showing how good the X0 is makes me want to trash my 704.
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from Laserman:
This is just to get to the point where we have a clean, lossless master to begin with


How is it going then? Have you got to such a point for just Star Wars yet?

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Oh my...

That is wonderful.

Really... I love all of you. This just upped the amount I was planning on donating.

^^

You know... It'd be really nice to add the official DVD's frame to the bottom of that test shot, so we can compare to that.

By the way, there's a problem with the links on the left side of the page on most pages. They're trying to link to article.php, instead of the correct articles.php.
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Well...I'm officially psyched. Officially.
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I am so impressed - nice improvements to the X0 site btw, (as well as a few digs at GL/LFL for their underwhelming 2004 dvd release and general outlook)

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Really impressive.
I think I'm gonna donate at the end of the month (hope there will be something left of my money )

But, how do you want to release this later? As a torrent file?

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Originally posted by: iRantanplan
But, how do you want to release this later? As a torrent file?


The site is talking monitor calibration and colour theory, and you're already on to the minutiae of how it might be distributed? I say relax and enjoy the ride...

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I enjoy the website, but I live in germany. I can't get them via mail, because the customs would get them.
So I'm interested how I can get it, before I donate money

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If the X0 Project ends up lookin' as good as it looks like it'll look, I don't think you'll have to worry about distribution. Torrent? Somebody probably will. Usenet? It'll likely happen. Shrinkwrapped in stores? Extremely unlikely -- but how cool would that be??
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I didn't find moth3rs PAL version of the movie. I didn't find OCPs version of the movie.
Maybe this means I'm just lame?

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Just contact Rikter. This shall end your lameness.

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Zion, one suggestion on the T-shirt. Take the www.x0project.com line below the logo and place it on the back. The front seems a bit cluttered with that there. Maybe make the font on the front a bit smaller. I do like the T-shirt though, but think those suggestions might improve it a bit.

Nice job on the site btw. Can't wait to see the finished project. Good work you guys!
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Nice Job Zion. Just one question. Isn't pure white 255, 255, 255?

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Originally posted by: Davidian
Nice Job Zion. Just one question. Isn't pure white 255, 255, 255?


You beat me to the punch on this one.

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Isn't NTSC white [235, 235, 235] and NTSC black [15, 15, 15]?
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will this set be converted to anamorphic? standard? or will both versions be availble? i'm amazed by those screen shots (had a small eruption in my pants)!
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RGB white is 255,255,255.
Analogue formats (eg YUV, YCbCr, YV12, YUY2) have a full range of 0-255, but black is set to 16 and white to 235 (16-235 is often referred to as TV range). PC range sets black to 0 and white to 255. If you open a huffyuv compressed source avi in VirtualDub (which uses RGB), the Huffyuv codec will convert the video, because otherwise black will be too high (16) and white too low (235).

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Originally posted by: yanksno1
Zion, one suggestion on the T-shirt. Take the www.x0project.com line below the logo and place it on the back. The front seems a bit cluttered with that there. Maybe make the font on the front a bit smaller. I do like the T-shirt though, but think those suggestions might improve it a bit.

Nice job on the site btw. Can't wait to see the finished project. Good work you guys!


Actually, the shirts do have the web site address on the back.

The next run of t-shirts won't look exactly like that, though. I'm redoing the design. If you didn't buy a shirt from me at Celebration 3, there's a good chance you'll never be able to get one of the original shirts. (However, I do have a couple left. PM me for details if you really want one.)

And before I steal Laserman's thunder, I'd like to point out that he's the brains behind all the articles so far.

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Nevermind...

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I'm baa-aack!

Wow, I've got to say, it is really great to be back here, I literally haven't logged on in months, but I *have* been busy (although probably not as busy as the rest of the guys on the team!)

As you old timers know, I left here mainly because it had ceased to be a fun place to be, but after spending the last few hours reading all the threads, that is obviously no longer the case. The support, and spirit here is fantastic again. It has the village feel that I truly love.
I definately wouldn't have made it back here, and the project would have been lost if not for all the hard work that the members of the X0 team have put in! (My wife is happy that the other guys are sharing the expenditure as well!)

Aaaanyway, I'll try and answer some of your questions about the X0 project, a lot of it is probably answered on the www.x0project.com site, so have a read there first.

Hoichi, no we are not there yet with the 'clean' master. You will see our progress on the site.
At the moment, we have an almost complete, much cleaner master than has existed outside of Lucasfilm, and it is in lossless compression, all 80GB of it!
There is still a heap of work to do, stabilising, analysing the colour, looking frame by frame for dropouts/glitches and so on. We have been in a massive research phase for the last few months, (especially after deciding HD was a must back in February), gathering sources, experimenting with the latest advances in upsampling/resizing, doing colour analysis, noise tests, timecoding all footage to a common base and more.

As I've said before, my personal aim is to get a 'better than original laserdisc' master together for projects to be based on. It takes a lot of time (because I'm anal), but now that we have a real team together, you will see progress.

Davidian, 235,235,235 is pure white as far as NTSC video legal colours go. You are right that 8bit RGB can represent 0 - 255, but many colour combinations fall outside the SMPTE C colour field and are considered illegal (and are clipped when broadcast).

To answer a whole bunch of other questions in a single waffle, personally I see the clean master as purely a first step: total restoration is my ultimate goal.
With access to a real print to compare against, I'd like to see a slew of versions - a purely archival 'purist' one that gets as close to the original as possible, (which means it must be in hidef) and keeps all of the flaws of the originals, if for nothing other than historical reasons - i.e. this is what a cutting edge film looked like in 1976.
I'd then like to have a de-gltiched version, with fixed sabres, fixed colours and fixed glitches (like the 'jump' where the whole frame moves when a lightsabre turns on). No new effects or anything, just the errors removed so I can watch it and get lost in it like I did when I was a kid. (as I said, just a personal thing)

As for the project itself, the clean master is a necessary first step before we can move on, and we are going to take you on the journey with us!
I've read that some people are abandoning their own projects... Don't!!
Making it is half the fun, and stuff you discover and share with others is really valuable, I've had more than a decade in the film industry, and I still discover stuff here that is simply amazing, and I've been blown away by what people have managed to do.
Also, we will as much as possible, be showing you step by step *in detail* one way of making your own version of the OT. You can follow along and try it yourself whether you are coming from Laserdisc, VHS, super8, so keep those versions coming, and thanks so much for all the feedback!



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I have just donated to the XO project. I hope this helps with keeping the project going and I will probably order a shirt when they are available. Love the new website too.

Thanks guys and keep up the great work. We really do appreciate all your hard work and I personally love reading these message boards (like laserman says, it is fun again, I just hope that it stays that way).
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Are you guys doing an HD master of the film?

Does HD use 8-bit RGB?
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great to have you back Laserman,

checked out the new page and it looks great. cant wait to see a final product.
speaking of which i totally agree with your 2 versions, 1 with warts and all and another with the original effects cleaned up and nothing else. that would be awsome.

Would a transfer of this quality gain any benifit from a dual layer disc when put on to dvd? If not (and maybe even if it is) a single disc that had both versions, cleaned up and original, would be pretty neat.

again, glad your back, and to everyone on the X0 team you guys are doing amazing work, keep it up

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