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Post #64241

Author
starkiller
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Kerry Lied
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Date created
14-Sep-2004, 3:40 PM
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who hired his advisors? I can't beleive that a better President would have gone in there with such little proof. And I can't accept that the President isn't reponsible at least in part for the mess. And again he came off looking like a moron. And proof that he really wasn't going to war for oil please.
Well, George Tenet was put in charge of the CIA by Bill Clinton, if I recall. Bush felt he didn't need to make a change.
And, if this war was really about Oil...Bush could have signed an executive order to drill in the Anwar region of Alaska.
Bingo, dependancy on foreign oil reduced.
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please name the countries that are in Iraq with us(other than England). And we did not work the U.N. We need to try harder somtimes we need to compromise somtimes. We need to stop this go it alone approach. More effort should have been made to cooperate with U.N. to resolve the Iraq crissis

First, I believe I made a tiny slip. There are not 80+ "in" Iraq, but there are 80+ as members of the Coalition. Not all of them have troops in Iraq. Some are providing support behind the scenes.
From memory: Italy, Poland, Spain (until mid-March) Japan, South Korea, Australia (England)
From an unofficial website: ...its easier to post the URL: Coalition of the Willing
From a 1+ year old BBC article: Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.
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the point is, not enough effort was gone into to catch him. And even though there have been no attacks on US soil since 9-11, There still have been attacks, innocent people have died . And how long before another attack is carried off here? And I know they are still find Nazi guards, but the point is athought some are still free, that have atleast been put out of business. Can you say the same for the terrorists groups?
No, I cannot. But the task of rooting out terrorists is far harder than attacking Germany.
When WW2, we knew that Germans were in Paris, Berlin, Warsaw and Salzburg. It took us just under 4 years of brute-force, face-to-face (essentially) fighting to end the German threat.
With this war, we do not know where the enemy is. They could be in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran or living next door. The threat is far more hidden from view. If it was like Germany, this war would already be over.
If you have some special gift of divination that can find the terrorists, I'm sure the military would appreciate the help.
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not exactly understanding what you meant here, please explain more clearly.
Let me use another example. It something I recall hearing people discuss last year.

You pull into a gas station. Gas is $1.02 per gallon. You fill up.
2 weeks later, you need more gas. WTF!!! Gas is up to $1.20 per gallon. Oh well, you need the gas, so you pay it.
Another 2 weeks. Gas is now $1.13 per gallon. You are now happy, because gas isn't $1.20 anymore.
But gas is still 11 cents higher than it was 4 weeks ago.
Gas now hovers around that $1.13 area. I've just been punked by the gas companies.

Now, instead of the price of gas, let's say we're talking about what the general public will tolerate in the media.
Horror before 1945 was The Wolfman, Frankenstein, Dracula. Practically no blood, gore or language and some violence.
Horror since 1980 is Nightmare on Elm Street, Jason, Freddy vs Jason, Child's Play, etc. Plenty of blood, gore, language and general violence.

People push the envelop, then someone has to push a little farther. Eventually, what the first people did to push the envelop is acceptable and commonplace. Its been a slow evolution.

I view the places this "envelop pushing" is going to be crude, harmful, unneccessary and not representative of the US general population.
However, you may view the same material to be perfectly harmless.
Its all a matter of perspective and remembering what things were like in the past.

I hope I'm adequately showing you what I meant this time.

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Finally we can expect terrists attacks untill we get leadership that nows how to effectively deal with. Bush doesn't. Will Kerry? we'll see, I am ready to give him the chance.
Kerry gives me the impression that he'd invite Osama over to the White House for milk and cookies to discuss some sort of arrangement to "end" the war, not unike how Clinton payed off North Korea to "stop its nuclear testing".
Kerry hasn't shown me anything that says he can do things in the war on terror any better than Bush.

Someone mentioned the environment. What, specifically, were you thinking of that Bush did that was anti-environment? With the War and the economy, blah, blah, blah, I haven't heard a thing on the environment for a long, long time.


Really quickly, I also wanted to speak quickly to Switch Radic.
Yes, debates might not change people's minds, but debate can allow people who have not made up their minds to view both sides of an issue and make a more educated opinion.
There really is no need to leave the originaltrilogy.com forums. If you are uninterested and turned off by the non-Star Wars debate, to be quite honest, you don't need to open the Off Topic forum.
Stick to the General Discussion or Theatrical vs. Special Edition forums. We all confine our political discussions, when we have them, here.
Please stay and discuss SW topics with us.