Unfortunately Warbler, most people dont mind taking their beliefs so seriously that they regard them as fact. Im not going to assume one way or the other with Regicidal, he may not be that silly. But if he did, hypothetically, I think he wouldnt be alone in that. I sincerely doubt Jimbo will confess that all he has are beliefs and not facts - there are very few people (I would assert) who are of the mindset you are. (Incidentally I am). Im not telling you that you shouldnt think that way - but you call people to reason who have exhibited no interest in the stuff up to this point. (Thats not a blanket statement for everyone in this post, so hold your scathing retorts please)