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You'd be lucky to get 2 bucks for that on DVD in the bargain bin.
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You'll pay for that * erases sessler from history*.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
What about the story of sean wookies life.


that's a movie?

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I'm not sure, but they definitely belong on this list.

As should The Bridge On The River Kwai


yes to both.

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You'll pay for that * erases sessler from history*.


you can't go around changing history! you'll damage the space-time continuum!
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Another essential would be every movie written by Charlie Kaufman. He won an oscar last night for "eternal sunshine for the spotless mind", which was a little bit of justice in an ridiculously unfair award cerimony.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I suppose you are one of the half of the people who watched it and didn't get it. To me, it's more than essential.

Another essential movie: Midnight Cowboy. One of my favorites movies, featuring Dustin Hoffman's and Jon Voigh's best performances, in my opinion.

You don't want to know my opinion of Midnight Cowboy, or do you?

Midnight Cowboy

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Well I respect your opinion. I don't agree with it, in fact, I disagree with that comentary SO much that compass needles near me are getting lost, but still... it's your opinion. To me, it's a wonderful film.
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in fact, I disagree with that comentary SO much that compass needles near me are getting lost


That's an interesting metaphor.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
ridiculously unfair award cerimony.


I know we will all disagreements on who should win the oscars, but ridiculously unfair?

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
ridiculously unfair award cerimony.


I know we will all disagreements on who should win the oscars, but ridiculously unfair?


Giamatti, Carrey, Eternal Sunshine, Motorcicle Diaries, passion of the christ, supersize me... I call that unfair.
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No... "ridiculously unfair" was last year's Oscar ceremony. Everybody voting on LOTR as a series. That's the reason it won so much. If they were voting on the merit of just ROTK (which is what they should have been doing as it was the nominated film... not the whole series), it would have won jack shit. And deserving films like Lost in Translation and Mystic River would have stood a fighting chance in the Best Picture and Director cats.

I agree that Giamatti was slighted as was Passion and Super Size Me. But, at least SSM was nominated and, I'm just glad Fahrenheit 9/11 wasn't in that category. None of the others would have stood a chance against it.

I think Eternal Sunshine needed to be released later than it was to be considered a serious contender. Too many people forgot about it. Too many others were able to see it on video and question what the hell it was all about (I understood it, but most of the people I've talked to had no clue what was going on with it). Yes, there are more confusing films out there that have won, but they waited until closer to the end of the nomination period.

Why wasn't Motorcycle Diaries up for best Foreign Film? Or was it and I missed it?
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It wasn't even nominated, I don't know why.

The problem with "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" is that it featured two names on it: Jim Carrey and Charlie Kaufman. The academy hates Jim Carrey and they will never allow anything slightly related to him get an important award - he should at least have been nominated for Man on the Moon. The academy is ignoring Charlie Kaufman because he is "too smart" for Hollywood, he's considered "indie" by them, he makes movies with no explosions, no guns, no pseudo-fantastic era swordfight, with no parts for Van Diesel, and the worse of all, he makes movies for smart people. So this award (which he should have got from his past films too, specially Being John Malkovitch), to me, feels like the academy saying "yeah yeah you're the best screenwriter around, here's your award, now get lost".
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But Ric, the Academy doesn't like good movies either....

Or, I should say, they don't award anything to mainstream movies like PotC, TPotC, Spiderman 2, ect., despite all of those being excellent movies. The academy is equally turned off by explosions, guns, swordfights, and about anything else that makes a good story a great film.

Winners: Million Dollar Baby... A boxing film about euthanasia? Sounds oscar-ish to me...

The Aviator... A drama about a *GASP* womanizing Leonardo DiCaprio?

Ray... A movie about a blind blackman. Double minority factor? Academy is going to enjoy it.

Now all of these may be great movies; I haven't seen any of them, but that's besides the point. The Academy is way out of touch with mainstream america or even the rest of hollywood in general, so there must be something more than the fact Charlie Kaufman's movies aren't explosive.

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
It wasn't even nominated, I don't know why.

The problem with "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" is that it featured two names on it: Jim Carrey and Charlie Kaufman. The academy hates Jim Carrey and they will never allow anything slightly related to him get an important award - he should at least have been nominated for Man on the Moon. The academy is ignoring Charlie Kaufman because he is "too smart" for Hollywood, he's considered "indie" by them, he makes movies with no explosions, no guns, no pseudo-fantastic era swordfight, with no parts for Van Diesel, and the worse of all, he makes movies for smart people. So this award (which he should have got from his past films too, specially Being John Malkovitch), to me, feels like the academy saying "yeah yeah you're the best screenwriter around, here's your award, now get lost".


1. I did not know that the Academy hates Jim Carrey. why?

2. usually the Academy Award goes to a film that does not have explosions,guns pseudo-fantastic era swordfights.

3. I do not recall a best picture winner that had Van Diesel in it.

4. Million dollar bady had none of these things and was (imho) a movie for smart people.
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See. Warbler just said basically what I said in a much more concise fashion. Kudos.

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1. I did not know that the Academy hates Jim Carrey. why?

2. usually the Academy Award goes to a film that does not have explosions,guns pseudo-fantastic era swordfights.

3. I do not recall a best picture winner that had Van Diesel in it.

4. Million dollar bady had none of these things and was (imho) a movie for smart people.


1. Not that they hate him, they just can't get the image of him bending over and making his ass talk out of their heads. It is difficult.

2. Nada to say

3. Almost had one with Saving Private Ryan but Shakespeare in Love won that year.

4. So far as I know, I would have to agree. Just from what I've heard as I've never seen it.
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1. I did not know that the Academy hates Jim Carrey. why?

2. usually the Academy Award goes to a film that does not have explosions,guns pseudo-fantastic era swordfights.

3. I do not recall a best picture winner that had Van Diesel in it.

4. Million dollar bady had none of these things and was (imho) a movie for smart people.


1. Not that they hate him, they just can't get the image of him bending over and making his ass talk out of their heads. It is difficult.

2. Nada to say

3. Almost had one with Saving Private Ryan but Shakespeare in Love won that year.

4. So far as I know, I would have to agree. Just from what I've heard as I've never seen it.


1- Exactly. It tooks years before Robin Willians could get an Oscar.

2- Titanic, LOTR... But I was saying that CK dosen't write these things, and it pisses hollywood off.

3- Just wait.

4- I'll have to watch it, and I'll comment on that later.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Ray... A movie about a blind blackman. Double minority factor? Academy is going to enjoy it.


Reminds me of Eddie Murphy's character in Bowfinger: "For a black actor to get an Oscar he gotta play a slave or a retard. Get me the part of a retarded slave..."
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Ray Charles was not a slave nor a retard.

The part that Denzel Washington played in Training Day was not a slave, a retard or blind. He won the Academy award that year.

Morgan Freeman won this year for his part in Million Dollar Baby. His character was neither retard nor a slave, but he was half blind.

Was the character that Halle Berry played in Monster's Ball a slave or a retard? I have not seen the movie.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite


1- Exactly. It tooks years before Robin Willians could get an Oscar.


yes because he is a commedian. It is rare that the oscar goes to a comedy performance. But you seemed to imply that the Acedemy had somthing against Carey in particular.


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2- Titanic, LOTR... But I was saying that CK dosen't write these things, and it pisses hollywood off.


While those movies did win, there are many others that won that aren't blockbusters with alots of action. This year's winner for example. Driving Miss Daisy, Shakespear In Love, American Beauty, A Beautiful Mind are others.

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3- Just wait.


We will see. If a movie he is in is great enough, than so be it. I will not prejudice myself against a great movie just because he happens to be in it. Nor should a movie win just because he is in it.

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4- I'll have to watch it, and I'll comment on that later.


fair enough. Its a good movie highly recomend you watch it.













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Originally posted by: Warbler
yes because he is a commedian. It is rare that the oscar goes to a comedy performance. But you seemed to imply that the Acedemy had somthing against Carey in particular.


Ummm... Carrey is a comedian as well. That's the problem right there. His manic comic performances soured him to the Academy regardless of what else he has done since that time. Robin Williams is a comedian who has also done drama. Much more so than Carrey has. That's why we're saying that it'll take years before he earns the Academy's respect. Once he's done as many dramas as Williams and can do so convincingly so that everybody can forget who he once was, then it'll happen. I'm not saying Eternal Sunshine and Man on the Moon are not convincing pieces of dramatic acting. They've just come really soon after his manic comic turns. They still can't take him seriously. Say he had been dramas for another five years and then did Eternal Sunshine, I think he would have been nominated and would have a very strong chance of winning.
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