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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 7

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swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

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Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.

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swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.

I mean…I can get kind of emotional when I watch LOE v1…but then again I actually care about Anakin a bit when I watch PT fanedits.

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Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.

I mean…I can get kind of emotional when I watch LOE v1…but then again I actually care about Anakin a bit when I watch PT fanedits.

I saw TFA a couple weeks ago and i’ve already forgotten this “markings on the wall” scene you’re talking about.

The ROTS jappor snippet shot has stayed with me since I first saw it in theaters.

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But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t). George just keeps telling us that they’re in love throughout Clones, and by the time we get to the heavy stuff in Sith we’re just more willing to roll with it because it’s obvious that this is what we’re getting one way or another. Expectations have been lowered to the point where I see the shot of the necklace, I recognize that it’s supposed to resonate emotionally, and if I’m in a good mood I say “yeah, all right, I guess that’s good”. When I stop to consider how sloppy and hamfisted the romance it’s calling back to actually was, though, it loses all resonance.

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swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.

I mean…I can get kind of emotional when I watch LOE v1…but then again I actually care about Anakin a bit when I watch PT fanedits.

I saw TFA a couple weeks ago and i’ve already forgotten this “markings on the wall” scene you’re talking about.

Ok…

The ROTS jappor snippet shot has stayed with me since I first saw it in theaters.

If anything the music should stick with you. John Williams could evoke more emotion more efficiently than anything that was happening on screen. Plus Padme’s death was absolutely horrible so if there’s anything I would be feeling it would be rage because Lucas didn’t give a single shit about the OT when he had her “Give up on life”. I mean it’s something I would expect in Twilight or something.

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joefavs said:

But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t). George just keeps telling us that they’re in love throughout Clones, and by the time we get to the heavy stuff in Sith we’re just more willing to roll with it because it’s obvious that this is what we’re getting one way or another.

I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema, so take my opinions with a pound of salt.

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joefavs said:

But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t).

Especially after how creepy Anakin is. I guess George expected us to be okay with a relationship without virtually any chemistry just because both parties are attractive.

Han and Leia may not have the best chemistry I’ve seen/read in Star Wars but at least they make sense together.

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swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t). George just keeps telling us that they’re in love throughout Clones, and by the time we get to the heavy stuff in Sith we’re just more willing to roll with it because it’s obvious that this is what we’re getting one way or another.

I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema

Fanedited versions of AOTC don’t count.

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Lord Haseo said:

Han and Leia may not have the best chemistry I’ve seen/read in Star Wars but at least they make sense together.

Who the hell are you thinking of with better chemistry than those two? They were goddamn great together. R2-D2 and C-3PO are the only ones I can think of in the same league.

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Lord Haseo said:

If anything the music should stick with you.

Speaking of music, that was one of TFA’s biggest issues. The music never evoked any emotion save for the scene when Rey is sliding down the sand dune. there were a few ok tracks, but JJ choked the soundtrack. it was poorly edited into the movie. the movie is just too hyper for a JW score.

On the other hand, ROTS had possibly the best of the 7 SW scores.

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Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t). George just keeps telling us that they’re in love throughout Clones, and by the time we get to the heavy stuff in Sith we’re just more willing to roll with it because it’s obvious that this is what we’re getting one way or another.

I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema

Fanedited versions of AOTC don’t count.

???
You keep bringing up fanedits. I’m talking about the theatrical (not BD) films.

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joefavs said:

Lord Haseo said:

Han and Leia may not have the best chemistry I’ve seen/read in Star Wars but at least they make sense together.

Who the hell are you thinking of with better chemistry than those two? They were goddamn great together. R2-D2 and C-3PO are the only ones I can think of in the same league.

Ciena and Thane Kyrell…but to be fair I have only read Lost Stars once

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swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

If anything the music should stick with you.

Speaking of music, that was one of TFA’s biggest issues. The music never evoked any emotion save for the scene when Rey is sliding down the sand dune. there were a few ok tracks, but JJ choked the soundtrack. it was poorly edited into the movie. the movie is just too hyper for a JW score.

On the other hand, ROTS had possibly the best of the 7 SW scores.

There’s no way I can really disagree with this

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You keep bringing up fanedits. I’m talking about the theatrical (not BD) films.

The only reason being is that is the only medium in which that romance makes any sort of sense.

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The editing in the ROTS score is 40% copying and pasting of note-for-note excerpts from previous scores. I have no idea what people mean when they say it was the best of the prequels in that regard.

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joefavs said:

The editing in the ROTS score is 40% copying and pasting of note-for-note excerpts from previous scores. I have no idea what people mean when they say it was the best of the prequels in that regard.

Music placement is everything. I don’t care if a piece was originally written for AOTC (march on the temple) if it evokes the right emotion for the scene it ultimately ends up in.

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Lord Haseo said:
The only reason being is that is the only medium in which that romance makes any sort of sense.

I’m saying that I don’t agree with that sentiment.

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Are you seriously using Padme’s death as an example of emotional authenticity? Audiences have very little reason to care about her death. It was just an “okay, she needed to die because she isn’t in the OT” kind of deal. And the way she died was laughable. “Lost the will to live”? What does that even mean?

Han’s death was infinitely more emotionally charged. Not because he’s a beloved character and people don’t want to see him die, but because the moment itself was tense and filled with emotion.

It’s strange that you think that TFA was telling audiences how to feel, when that’s a major, almost universal complaint of the PT. That George Lucas had no idea how to show the audience things and let them use their brains, and had to beat them over the head with incredibly unsubtle dialogue.

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In terms of original score, RotS rates as “meh”. TFA was definitely weak.

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mapet318 said:

It’s strange that you think that TFA was telling audiences how to feel, when that’s a major, almost universal complaint of the PT. That George Lucas had no idea how to show the audience things and let them use their brains, and had to beat them over the head with incredibly unsubtle dialogue.

Lucas is a visual poet, he has never claimed to be a good writer. Having Padme’s death segue into this

just hit me so hard. options are opinions, and this is mine.

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mapet318 said:

In terms of original score, RotS rates as “meh”. TFA was definitely weak.

Battle of The Heroes, Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious, The Immolation Scene, Anakin’s Dream and Anakin’s Dark Deeds vehemently disagrees.

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Lord Haseo said:

mapet318 said:

In terms of original score, RotS rates as “meh”. TFA was definitely weak.

Battle of The Heroes, Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious, The Immolation Scene, Anakin’s Dream and Anakin’s Dark Deeds vehemently disagrees.

Don’t forget A New Hope and End Credits.

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1/2. Tie: SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)

  1. TFA; Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
  2. ROTJ
  3. The last crap I took
  4. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
  5. ROTS
  6. TPM
  7. AOTC

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suspiciouscoffee said:

    • Tie * SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)
  1. TFA. Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
    4.ROTJ
  2. The last crap I took
  3. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
  4. ROTS
  5. TPM
  6. AOTC

What a beautiful post. Please continue to post in this thread.

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I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.