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I guess it's progress...maybe?

Seems like they just are finally noticing the political wind shifting and are doing a bit of cya.  I'm not sure what this actually acomplishes for gay people.

And homosexuality is still a sin, right?  So that's not good.

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TV's Frink said:

And homosexuality is still a sin, right?  So that's not good.

 Who's to say that's not good?  I know in my own Roman Catholic religion, homosexual acts are still a sin. 

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Trooperman said:

TV's Frink said:

And homosexuality is still a sin, right?  So that's not good.

 Who's to say that's not good? 

 Me.

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Your own god, right? ;)  I was hoping for more replies before I addressed the whole topic.  I'll try to get to it soon.  I'll probably offend enough to get something going.

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Some perspective from a gay Mormon.

http://news.yahoo.com/breaking-silence-means-gay-mormon-224134966.html

 

And this is from probably around a year ago when I read it, but I found it interesting.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffbenedict.com%2Findex.php%2Fblog%2F35-blog%2F378-maybe-ill-meet-a-girl&ei=BBDPVLzcGMHpoASgooKIBg&usg=AFQjCNGEvCU5VJZwV6_2YJN6tiLgMs96Bw

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So the question has been posed many times about the strange nature of the Word of Wisdom, our law of health, which disallows coffee and tea, yet does not explicitly disallow caffeinated beverages like soda.  I will say,f as a night nurse until so very recently, I couldn't have made it through most 12 hour shifts without caffeine.  I usually relied on some caffeinated Crystal Light.  But I also once had a patient who damaged his heart with Monster drinks.  Caffeine can be harmful and habit-forming, so I believe it is best to minimize or avoid it.  I suggest the following link.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Word_of_Wisdom/Hot_drinks

And this is a recent-ish addition to the LDS website.  It addressed many hard topics that were usually left to others for defense, including topics brought up by the author of the PDF that Ric read and found so interesting.

http://www.lds.org/topics?lang=eng

I think this is cool because I think over the past 30 years the Church has tried not to directly address some of these harder topics because they feared for those who were not well versed in criticisms of the Church, worrying it would draw more attention to such criticisms.  But now, with so much readily available through the Internet, members are exposed to criticism more readily, and those who are naive to certain topics are not well prepared.  I like this more open approach, and I think the articles are well written.  It's not an all inclusive list of topics, but I think it does well addressing some of the big ones.

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How does the Mormon Church view Joseph Smith in general, is he believed to be a man or divine? He's interesting in that he is a very documented historical figure that isn't shrouded in mystery since in the grand scheme of things, he was pretty recent. How does the Mormon church reconcile some of the things he did such as changing his stance on polygamy, and his practice of polygamy in general since 1 Timothy says that a church elder should be the husband of one wife. Plus I believe towards the end of his life he was arrested for polygamy amongst other things, which the Bible says in Romans 13 that Christians are not supposed to resist governing authorities. So even if polygamy isn't wrong, wasn't it anti-biblical for him to break those laws in the US in the first place? 

I hope I'm not being offensive in asking these things, because I'm not trying to be, I'm just genuinely curious to hear about it from a Mormon perspective.

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He is most certainly a man, a fallible man who even receives chastisement from God in scriptures that he himself dictated.

Polygamy is an interesting issue, as it was practiced in OT times, but by the NT it had died out.  I'm sure there are numerous articles I could link to, but for now I will start with the best answer that comes from our Book of Mormon, found in Jacob 2, with my emphasis placed on the last verse:

 23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.

 24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

 25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.

 26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.

 27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

 28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.

 29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.

 30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

Long story short, it's almost always wrong, with the exception largely to raise a population of God's people.

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Oh, forgot to add that polygamy was never against the law until after it was an institutionalized policy in the Church.  It was because of us that the law was created in the first place.

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darth_ender said:

Polygamy is an interesting issue, as it was practiced in OT times

 Dude, Luke and Leia are brother and sister, I hardly see how this makes her relationship with Han polygamic.

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Gosh darn you, we were going to make that exact joke.

Team Olie

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Possessed said:

I'm in your heads like a whole team of Reggie Millers.

 We fixed that for you.

Team Olie

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Possessed said:

darth_ender said:

Polygamy is an interesting issue, as it was practiced in OT times

 Dude, Luke and Leia are brother and sister, I hardly see how this makes her relationship with Han polygamic.

Just wait 'til TFA opens in theatres ... 

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Well duh, what else am I going to do?  Play Diddy Kong with my thumbs?

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Brief update. I was recently released from my duties in bishopric and resumed my former calling as an instructor for Sunday School. This frees up some time, but I still intend to limit my comments here to avoid getting sucked in and wasting time in my real life.

As a side note, long ago Frink mentioned a site supposedly trying to provide a neutral viewpoint on my church called mormonthink.com. I’ve been to the site several times and had my own observations, and I recently went there again. I assure you, while they portray themselves as fair and balanced, just active Mormons raising serious questions, it is quite apparent from a superficial view that they are portraying things in a very hostile manner. They are a typical anti-Mormon site except for one thing: they use softer wording when providing the “pro-Mormon” perspective. Anyone skilled in debate or critical thinking can see their methods are intended as critical. To highlight their falsehoods, this link can illustrate their duplicity even more:

http://en.fairmormon.org/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Websites/MormonThink

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A lot of family members and friends of mine are Mormon’s, but only one is actually a convert, and not just affiliated because of family upbringing. I suppose he is the only devout Mormon that I know.

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Hopefully they’re all good examples 😃

Just to clarify on my recent release, owing to a thoughtful PM I received, I meant to say.that the release from a calling in my church is not being fired. Firstly, it is unpaid service, and second, it is always temporary. So no worries, it was actually quite a relief to get released. Thanks to my thoughtful worry wart friend 😃