dark_jedi said:
TV's Frink said:
If it weren't just a rumor it would be sort-of on-topic...a proper release of the OOT would replace the need for your OT, right?
Then why is it posted only in our thread? are we the only ones doing this?
I just finished watching SW '77 and I am very pleased with the results of all your hard work (I listened to the '93 PCM mix). If I didn't know better, I never would have suspected that it was sourced from the GOUT. This really is an improvement over previous versions; you seem to have managed to squeeze every ounce of detail available from the source while minimizing flaws, so that (to my eyes) it nearly looks HD. This will become my default viewing copy of SW until Disney decides to release the OOT on BluRay.
I look forward to your versions of ESB '80 and ROTJ '83 even more now that I've seen what great work you've done on SW.
I've only had a quick glimpse of SW SE so far, and it also looked very good, though a bit softer than SW '77, which I'm guessing is due to the LD source(?) Hopefully, I'll find time to finish watching it tonight.
Anyhow, bravo! Keep up the great work! :-)
Mielr said:
I've only had a quick glimpse of SW SE so far, and it also looked very good, though a bit softer than SW '77, which I'm guessing is due to the LD source(?)
First of all thanks for your nice review! Anyway, the source for the SE is the TB version. It's a digital broadcast which is not perfect and does have some compression artefacts too. We did our best to make it look as good as possible.
Just want to chime in also. I watched both your GOUT and '97 version. I was amazed by the amount of picture information you were able to get out of the GOUT. This is probably the best upscaling job I have ever seen. Anyway, great job Team Blu, Thanks for all the hard work.
With all the recent talk of Disney possibly restoring and releasing the Theatrical Cuts of the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray in the near future I wonder if they'd go as far as giving the 1997 Special Edition Versions the same treatment as well?
You_Too or Dark_Jedi, could you share what font you used to render the subtitles? They look really good.
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You_Too said:
Mielr said:
I've only had a quick glimpse of SW SE so far, and it also looked very good, though a bit softer than SW '77, which I'm guessing is due to the LD source(?)
Anyway, the source for the SE is the TB version.
riddler95 said:
I wonder if they'd go as far as giving the 1997 Special Edition Versions the same treatment as well?
schorman13 said:
You_Too or Dark_Jedi, could you share what font you used to render the subtitles? They look really good.
It's been a long time since I made them but I'm pretty sure it was TradeGothic LT Bold. I think I had to tweak it a bit to fit the original size of the subs too.
What Team Blu has done with the 1977 Star Wars is nothing short of spectacular. Thank you for creating this beautiful restoration and sharing it with us. I'm still amazed at the detail you managed to extract from a source as bad as the GOUT.
On a side note: althor has shared his preservation of the original Star Wars trilogy from Japanese laser discs. The transfer was from the mid 80s and has no digital blurring/smoothing or motion smearing that I can see. I think the (mostly) raw footage would be a better source than the GOUT for any future Star Wars restoration projects. However, I'm just going by how it looks to my eyes. :) Please take a look for yourself to make the comparison. The files can be found on usenet or MySpleen.
Thanks again to Team Blu!
idyll said:
What Team Blu has done with the 1977 Star Wars is nothing short of spectacular. Thank you for creating this beautiful restoration and sharing it with us. I'm still amazed at the detail you managed to extract from a source as bad as the GOUT.
On a side note: althor has shared his preservation of the original Star Wars trilogy from Japanese laser discs. The transfer was from the mid 80s and has no digital blurring/smoothing or motion smearing that I can see. I think the (mostly) raw footage would be a better source than the GOUT for any future Star Wars restoration projects. However, I'm just going by how it looks to my eyes. :) Please take a look for yourself to make the comparison. The files can be found on usenet or MySpleen.
Thanks again to Team Blu!
Wow, glad to see that this shit continues even today. Why do people continue to advertise other projects in this thread about THIS PROJECT?
What the fuck? I get an email saying that there is new posts in the DARK_JEDI OT AND SE TEAM BLU RELEASE THREAD, and then I login and read about someone else's project.....great.
I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.
There's no need to get upset. I wasn't advertising another project, I was suggesting a new source besides the GOUT for any future restoration efforts by Team Blu. I would have sent a PM to all the members of Team Blu, but I don't know the names of all the team members or who is in charge of handling the source material for their projects.
Also, I was saying thank you to the team. As far as I know, that is perfectly acceptable.
Please stay calm. Everything will be okay.
No worries, I would've replied yesterday but was too tired.
I've tried several different LD sources before, and the problem is that there's not enough resolution to make them look good in HD. Not at all like the GOUT does now anyway.
Because even if the JSC has no smearing, the master still has the same aliasing as the GOUT (which I suspect is because it's missing one field. For some reason I've seen many LD masters of other things with the exact same problem) and they've also brightened some dark scenes and stuff. On top of that, put the fact that all the grain and dirt is there and then put the analog noise and rainbowing that is common with LDs.
There is simply no way we'd ever use an LD as a source for a project. And after these three are all released, I seriously don't think me and DJ ever wanna work with Star Wars again. Not to this extent at least. It's been extremely time consuming and exhausting.
Let's hope Disney will wait for Mike. Nuff said. :)
Is this the right thread to ask adywan for a sandwich? ;-)
Thanks for explaining You_Too. I'll post no more on the subject of the JSC.
And after these three are all released, I seriously don't think me and DJ ever wanna work with Star Wars again.
Maybe by the time raw footage from a certain film scanner is released, Team Blu will consider doing a restoration and Blu-ray release of it. I can certainly understand if that doesn't happen, but I'll keep my fingers crossed until then.
I have almost as little faith in Disney as I do in George Lucas, but here's hoping. :)
idyll said:
Maybe by the time raw footage from a certain film scanner is released, Team Blu will consider doing a restoration and Blu-ray release of it.
I think there are lots of people out there who are capable of doing that.
Got a chance to check out both today. One word, WOW. Not only all the work that went into these, but Team Blu sure knows how to put a package together. Once again, top notch work guys! Much appreciated!
I agree with the predominant opinion which states that the amount of detail this team has drawn from the GOUT is nothing short of amazing.
Well done.
Yeah, SW '77 looks much better than it has any right to. I can't believe you got that much out of that little. Fantastic job!
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You_Too said:
Mielr said:
I've only had a quick glimpse of SW SE so far, and it also looked very good, though a bit softer than SW '77, which I'm guessing is due to the LD source(?)
First of all thanks for your nice review! Anyway, the source for the SE is the TB version. It's a digital broadcast which is not perfect and does have some compression artefacts too. We did our best to make it look as good as possible.
TV's Frink said:
Is this the right thread to ask adywan for a sandwich? ;-)
No, this is the thread of "TeamBlue."
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
I see they blue themselves.
Just finished perusing both SE and The GOUT cure (which is exactly what this is) and both are nothing short of amazing considering what the sources were.
The SE has never looked better, what you guys have done in cleaning up the broadcast version is nothing short of amazing. The pink cast is no longer heavily prevalent over Tatooine, overall definition seems rounded out, and the motion smearing is no longer as heavy handed (never saw all the different broadcast versions). The addition of the theatrical DTS is astounding, and it completely destroys the ac3 which was no slouch. Extreme thanks for including the 2.0 PCM which was how I had to grow up with the SE and is in itself a great downmix decoded or not.
What this release does is accurately reflect the better clarity of the LD transfer without its DNR and color issues, in fact this recalls the different look of the letterbox VHS and more importantly the theatrical presentation which was beyond compare. Finally we have a SE that resembles the 35mm state of the art exhibition of nearly 20 years ago.
...All this being said, even after originally coming to this site many years ago looking for a definitive SE...the real deal here is the GOUT cure.
Oh my, goodness gracious me...
This absolutely is the utmost one could possibly pull out of this source. I doubt utilizing the D1 video master would even help much. Absolutely amazing results. There is a clarity and depth here that I would not think possible from the GOUT and even its trademark video haziness has been somewhat reduced. Of course there is the frozen grain that cannot be avoided, but once we get past that old friend, this is a stunner. And coupled with the new stab at color timing to better resemble the 1977 intent...someone better tell the folks in the video mastering room at LFL that color timing ain't like dusting crops.
I wholeheartedly would put this alongside the Despecialized 2.5. Yes, I know they are two completely different beasts, but they work along similar lines hand in hand with Team Blu's work excruciatingly working only with this lifeless more machine than man transfer. Well, lifeless no more. Finally the GOUT has the vitality of the JSC and Technidisc as it should have in 1993. This is by all means the ultimate transfer of the original version we know on video, but in a wholly new de-videoized manner.
And all mixes are here lossessly!!! OMG....I have blared the PCM tracks like mad, especially my favorite the mono.
I just wish all that grain wasn't frozen. It's a damn shame that this can never fully reach the heights of the JSC or Technidisc in that regard, but you guys have seriously done a man's job. The V1 and V3s which for years I have shared with friends and family who wanted to see the original films and were my go-tos are officially retired. I simply cannot believe that this is the GOUT. I didn't think an upscale could do this.
Really, really looking forward to seeing what you guys pull out of Empire and Jedi especially which usually get the short end of the coloring stick.
AntcuFaalb said:
You_Too said:
The Laserdisc masters - JSC or 93 or whatever - are out of the question since they're probably on Betacam tapes (DVD resolution) or something.
The JSC master tapes are out of the question because a member of OT.com currently has them.
*spits coffee* WHAT!?! When did this happen!?!
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captainsolo said:
AntcuFaalb said:
You_Too said:
The Laserdisc masters - JSC or 93 or whatever - are out of the question since they're probably on Betacam tapes (DVD resolution) or something.
The JSC master tapes are out of the question because a member of OT.com currently has them.
*spits coffee* WHAT!?! When did this happen!?!
Years ago, according to him/her, but don't get too excited. He/she has no intention of sharing them.
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Okay I saw the SE remaster and I have to say brilliant work it is great to see an upscale of the 97 release on a higher format although I have one quastion will the 97 versions of ESB and ROTJ be worked on too or is that being forgotten now? I didn't see if it said that on earlier posts but just curious as to if it will happen with the last two movies of the OT.
What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney
We do plan to fix the 97 ESB and ROTJ too, but everything takes a lot of time and we've got some side projects at the moment so unfortunately you guys will have to wait.
@captainsolo: Thank you so much for your review. It feels great when somebody really understands and appreciates how much work went into this.
And thanks to everyone else too of course! Your appreciation is what makes this worth doing.
