The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 21

Personally I would never have it 'arrive' at Coruscant.

I'd have it leave Coruscant looking new and shiny, get shot down over Tatooine and traded in for a run down rust bucket which gets the characters to Naboo (or Alderaan if you want to give that ill fated blue planet a back story).

I get the backstory with the Y-Wings said they were once new and shiny but it was impractical to keep them that way, but I can't honestly claim to have ever thought something like that from watching the film.  I definitely don't look at the Y-Wings and think it any more than I do about any of the other ships.

Now if we saw some shiney new Y-Wings in the PT and suddenly think 'oh look how run down they look by ANH' then thats good, it plants a little idea of history right before our eyes.  But personally I think applying that logic to every ship won't work, and it would spoil that nice touch with the Y-Wings because it is no longer unique. 

If we assume that all the ships in the OT are old, but the ones in the PT are new, then a close up of the Millenium Falcon in RotS could show it with a sleek metalic red exterior, which over the years was lost and by the time of the OT we are left with the heap of junk. 

If the Republic has been around for a long time then let it look like it has.  It can still look beautiful and old, just like I prefer old houses over new houses regardless of whether the old house is clean and shiney.  The fact they weren't built perfect gives them more character.  I would even say its not the colour that does the most harm, but the shapes of the PT ships, but colour is just the easier fix when editing.

The Falcon is a freighter so it rolled out of the showroom bumpy but with that new car smell and maybe a few more panels covering the inner workings.

A brand new top of the range fighter is going to look a lot different from the same plane kept long after it's best by date and hotrodded to the Nth degree.

Everything in Star Wars should pass the Y-Wing/Threepio silver leg test.

An object in the real world has a history which mirrors that of its owner and the culture that built it.

The same should be true of the Star Wars universe.

This will make the third thread I've posted this in, but the thought keeps coming into my head, and I will probably push for this till the release of ROTJ:R.  I really hope to see Victory-class Star Destroyers at the Battle of Endor.  I love their design.  I love the thought of the Empire having more than two classes of warships (Imperator-class and Executor-class).  I always hoped that we would see these guys in the prequels, but I was disappointed to learn that we'd be seeing the Venerators instead.  To me, seeing the Victories at Endor would be like seeing the AT-STs at Hoth: I would be equally, if not more excited!  There is nothing I want to see in this film more than that!

Also, I was reading about why Gary Kurtz left the team for ROTJ.  From what I can tell, he must have been an amazing producer, really hands-on and involved, while simultaneously letting the director be creative.  From what I read, he was unhappy with the change of direction George had in mind for Jedi, with a happier ending and less substance.  Now I personally really enjoy ROTJ.  But I agree that there could be more drama to it, and such would have been perhaps improved the film.  As Ady probably knows, I have my own thread full of ROTJ edit ideas from myself and so many others that are ripe for the taking.  But since that project may or may not ever be completed, I figure maybe these more modest thoughts will get more attention.

Perhaps the Save Lando and Kill Lando teams can be satisfied with a branching ending.  I think it would be interesting to see him die, while I know others want him to live.  I'm sure both could be accomplished fairly easily with Adywan's skills and a branching disc.

I still would push for a more bittersweet ending, roughly included in my signature.

What else could feasibly be included to make ROTJ more dramatic and less hippy/happy.

The design does seem to lend itself to this sort of duty.

This ship could do with some further exploration.

I advocated for more Tector in the old collaborative thread.  But someone pointed out that it was probably just the top of a model.  I'm now convinced that it was never actually intended to be a different design, but that inaccurate scaling during the compositing process made the Destroyer look larger, and thus it looked like more of the vessel was revealed than actually was.  I'm pretty sure it was never intended to be a part of the original battle.  That said, I'm not against other designs.  The Main Communications Star Destroyer (finally granted a name after close to 30 years) is something I would definitely be in favor of seeing.  That's the ship that was causing the jamming, and I think it would be cool to see it get taken out to stop the jamming.  It would probably take some new pilots in cockpits.

I'm all for Lando dying, but I really don't think it would add much to any dramatic tension or give a bittersweet ending. Kill the whole fleet off if you want that. Get rid of the Ewok celebration and have the survivors quietly limp off home.

You really need to toy with one of the core plots a bit more to give it a bittersweet sort of finale. I liked the idea of Luke burying his lightsabre, and quitting as a Jedi. He would realise that the galaxy is better off without the Jedi now that the Sith are gone.

There are certainly other ideas that would be cool, but I fear most of them would be impossible with what we have available to us.  I thought maybe killing Han as originally planned would be cool, but I don't think it's possible to pull off.

My only issue with killing Han, would be that he essentially got killed in ESB. Killing Leia might work, she even gets shot, but you are right about the amount of footage available doesn't allow for much.

One thing that could work though would be an additional subplot. If Mon Mothma and General Nadine were recast/redesigned, you could form more of a plotline for them around what already exists. One thing ROTJ always missed was the interaction with rebel staff that we had at on Hoth.

ben_danger said:

My only issue with killing Han, would be that he essentially got killed in ESB. Killing Leia might work, she even gets shot, but you are right about the amount of footage available doesn't allow for much.

This could be a really good idea.  It could be used as the tipping point that causes Luke to rage against Vader.  Some sort of sad funeral scene could be easier to construct too than trying to make an entire death scene and following scenes for Han's death.  Unfortunatly I think it might be seen as too contraversial for a lot of people. 

Now that we know there is going to be an Episode VII I can't see the point of adding things which will obviously contradict it.

Killing Leia in ROTJ:R would obviously jar-jar with any future episodes with her in.

I'm all for editing the film so more drama is drawn from Leia getting shot though, especially if Luke can feel her pain.

Ady has already said he does not plan to link Revisited 1-6 with the new official ST.

^Amen.

I think the most important part is the original trilogy :)

Last time I saw ROTJ and got some ideas for a Revisited Edition:

- "Lando Calrissian and the poor Chewbacca never...." why 3PO said that Chewie never came back from Jabbas Palace? At this point Chewie shouldn't be inside the palace. But maybe i didn't get it right.

- At Jabbas home Lando showed his full face for some seconds ... this is not nessearcy and senseless. We all see recognize Lando without this ... and it's dangerous for him to show the full face in Jabbas palace. The half should be enough.

- Luke vs. the Bounty Hunters at the Sarlacc we see some good Jedi Action. Maybe some lightsaber marks would be improve the action?

- I don't know if it possible but some deleted scenes are really cool ....
1. Luke built his lightsaber ... we all know that R2 carry the weapon. Its cool to see a Jedi built his lightsaber ... and the communication between Vader and Luke give the movie a early focus on the force
2. The bunker rush give the fight on Endor more focus on the rebels, less the Ewoks
3. The plans to destory the moon of endor with the Death Star give the final more dramatic

- in the original trilogy Luke winkes ( ;) ) to the Jedi Ghosts ... this small shot is lost in the SE.

- Bring Sebastian Shawn back at ghost of Anakin Skywalker ... but give him the prequel clothes! He looks very strange ...

My ideas for ROTJ:R .... :)

By the time work starts in earnest on ROTJ:R the cast will be confirmed for Episode VII so if, for example Billy Dee or Carrie are on the list it makes no sense to me to kill off their characters (even though I personally think Lando should have died in the OT).

Obviously this is my opinion.

But if we know things are going to happen in the ST there is very little point in my view of throwing known road blocks in the way of watching the trilogy of trilogies (especially if the ST turns out to be actually good) with Revisited as the SE of the first two.

There will hopefully be lots of things that can't be predicted as yet in the ST.

But there should be a clear picture of the lay of the land by the time ROTJ:R really kicks off.

Revisited is MEANT to be watched as a separate saga. Ady isn't trying to remain true to official canon in any way shape or form. He is making his own creative decisions here, regardless of how they will affect viewings of official versions of these films. Revisited is a separate entity.

I think ROTJ:R is definitely an edit that would benefit from an alternative 'purist' version viewable via a branching disk.

That way if, as I suspect, the ST only makes specific references to events or surviving characters from the OT, the purist cut doesn't affect continuity with these new films as it will play out as it did before on a story level.

The reason I suspect the ST will not make any references specific enough to the PT to impact continuity with the PT:R is that I think Disney are well aware the prequels are best left forgotten and also the events in the prequels occur before the lives of anyone in the story anyway so it's not likely to be referenced in the ST regardless - unless they start talking about specifics like midichlorians or Anakin turning to save his wife from dying during childbirth etc.....in which case I'd day the ST is doomed anyway as they'd clearly be following the George school of expository dialogue.

To really understand the Fett/Fan relationship you'd have had to have been there back in the late seventies waiting for news about what is going to happen next when this interesting character with a history built into his look arrived on the scene.

He was billed as an enigma who might save the galaxy or destroy it.

He was very cool in ESB and died a comedy slapstick death in a move that sums up everything that is wrong about ROTJ.

Fett either needs something legitimate to do in ROTJ and survive or needs cutting from the film.

George seems to revel in farting in the face of fans by turning beloved characters into comedy turns.

I can't see the point of a 'revenge' showdown between Han and Fett, it's just cheap like every Batman film killing off a major villain.

A question for Adywan -

Is one of your motives for editting the PT and RotJ together, so you can add content which might be familiar to both? ie new characters and subplots? (ie adding or recasting minor characters to rotj which appear younger in PT.)

If there is new Vader content in the PT I'd love to see an added dream scene similar to the cave on dagobah. The strip light duel bits from AotC combined with backshots of a new anakin could work well.

Bingowings said:

To really understand the Fett/Fan relationship you'd have had to have been there back in the late seventies waiting for news about what is going to happen next when this interesting character with a history built into his look arrived on the scene.

He was billed as an enigma who might save the galaxy or destroy it.

He was very cool in ESB and died a comedy slapstick death in a move that sums up everything that is wrong about ROTJ.

Fett either needs something legitimate to do in ROTJ and survive or needs cutting from the film.

George seems to revel in farting in the face of fans by turning beloved characters into comedy turns.

I can't see the point of a 'revenge' showdown between Han and Fett, it's just cheap like every Batman film killing off a major villain.

I don't think it's cheap at all. It makes the most sense for Fett's character, and it gives Han his bad-ass moment. It just makes sense, and it'd be so satisfying. I mean, really. Five-year old me would have a shitfit if Han and Fett dueled in a mexican stand-off. 

It's ridiculously cheap.

When Han killed poor Greedo he was doing it to save his life, his nonchalance made the scene cool and in the Wild West mode but it wasn't a cheap gag at the expense of a character the audience has invested time and interest in.

It was also a snap shot of Han at the beginning of his journey.

Fett is a broad-strokes mirror image of that Han.

A cool mercenary with a great looking spaceship.

It would make Han cooler if he let Fett live and didn't bother fighting him because he has changed or when paid enough money Fett would turn on Jabba because he hasn't changed.

This is the essence of saga over episodic drama. How the journey changes the character.

Han stops being a gun toting mercenary with no roots, he stops being Solo.

So many mostly American films (Bond has also doing this sort of thing for 50 years) seem to think the audience needs a vengeful death at the end of a quest.

Batman in the comics and the television shows keep the villains locked up most of the time. Batman in every film kills one villain as a blood sacrifice to the audience which cheapens the characters.

Star Wars was better than that until ROTJ.

Vader survived the Death Star battle not just because he was popular (nobody knew for sure that he would be then) not just to progress the story (the Emperor could have had dozens of nasty dark lords) but because it was cool not to tick off every box with a death. It would have been cool without a sequel, in the same way that killing Maul wasn't.

If the first act was expanded into a feature, just about rescuing Han from Jabba, I could imagine a scenario where Han's dismissive comments about Luke's training gain extra irony when he, blinded by hibernation sickness bests Fett using his instincts in a long drawn out duel in the desert. Double Noon on the Dune Sea. Even then I would probably let Fett live, not out of some fan love for the suit but because Han has grown to the point where he probably feels sorry for poor Fett who truly is alone.

In the current film Fett has no reason to be there and killing him in a throwaway showdown is just tacky ( stupid PT style slapstick in the theatrical version). He is just the first in a check list of characters Lucas felt the need to bump off in the last film and it just feels fake.

Fett, Jabba, Yoda, Piett, Palpatine, Vader, The Empire, it's too much for one film especially when it's shoe-horned in to tie up every loose end which never happens in real life.