STENDEC's Hybrid SE (part-finished project?) — Page 2

Looking forward to your releases. The 97' SE was my first viewing of Star Wars on the big screen. I was ten at the time and although they were the special editions, they still hold a special place in my love for Star Wars. 

Krycek87 said:

Looking forward to your releases. The 97' SE was my first viewing of Star Wars on the big screen. I was ten at the time and although they were the special editions, they still hold a special place in my love for Star Wars. 

Thanks ;). I first saw Star Wars on VHS back in the early 90s, but I saw ANH and RotJ in '97 on the big screen. (RotJ was at a drive-in too!) While I personally think of the SEs as inferior to the originals, I'll fight for their right to exist along with every other version of Star Wars. The 1997 editions have their right to history as well, just like the OOT.

Just a quick update on my progress, ANH is now finished and I've started on ESB. As with ANH there are quite a few missing frames from the TB release, but the GKar is mostly intact. There is one important issue though. It seems that all releases of the 1997 SE have 1 missing frame. It occurs at frame number 75282 on the 2004 DVD (and the Blu-ray as well, presumably). It's the last frame of the asteroid hitting the bridge of the Star Destroyer and for some reason it's not in any of the 97 releases - TB, GKar or Laserdisc. With that in mind, I'm planning to leave it out since the evidence would suggest it wasn't there in 97.

Darth Mallwalker said:

 

STENDEC said:

Just a quick update on my progress, ANH is now finished and I've started on ESB. As with ANH there are quite a few missing frames from the TB release, but the GKar is mostly intact. There is one important issue though. It seems that all releases of the 1997 SE have 1 missing frame. It occurs at frame number 75282 on the 2004 DVD (and the Blu-ray as well, presumably). It's the last frame of the asteroid hitting the bridge of the Star Destroyer and for some reason it's not in any of the 97 releases - TB, GKar or Laserdisc. With that in mind, I'm planning to leave it out since the evidence would suggest it wasn't there in 97.

Disagree.
There's overwhelming evidence to suggest it was there in '97.
That being the DTS soundtrack, which definitely include that frame.
If you omit that frame from your video, then you need to cut ~42ms (period of one frame) from the DTS soundtrack.

Incidentally, we called it 75305 over in the "standards" thread

 

So, the DTS soundtracks that have been shared ARE actually being used for projects?  I wasn't aware, aside from what CapableMetal had done to sync with msycamore's ANH SE video only upload that any other projects were currently going to make use of them.

Shows how far out of the loop I apparently am at the moment......

Hmm.. Interesting about the DTS tracks. I wonder why only the home video and broadcast releases omitted that frame. Incidentally though, I'm not using the DTS tracks. I'm using the rips from the Laserdics, which don't have that frame included. I'll have a think and decide what's best to do.

STENDEC said:

Hmm.. Interesting about the DTS tracks. I wonder why only the home video and broadcast releases omitted that frame. Incidentally though, I'm not using the DTS tracks. I'm using the rips from the Laserdics, which don't have that frame included. I'll have a think and decide what's best to do.

You're using video/audio rips direct from the laserdiscs, and now that I read it again it looks as if DM is suggesting, with regards to that frame, the way to do it if your going to go with the DTS audio.

I need my head checked.....I'm feeling dizzy....LOL

You_Too said:

I've been comparing the 97 SE versions to help dark_jedi with an eventual future project, and I can tell you that the Flunk version is not the best.

Flunk has crushed shadow detail and is oversharpened.

Reivax has some weird frame-blending which adds more smearing, and makes each shot fade into each other by one frame.

The best is Gkar, and TB is second, being a bit more blurry than Gkar.

By the way, by Hybrid, do you mean like layering Gkar and TB on each other to get more detail out of them?

Thought I'd share my experience of this, when I was actively working on my hybrids I thought the order of sources was Flunk > TB > GKAR > Reivax.

The GKAR and Reivax have been through more filtering than the others see comparison pictures here which removed some dirt but also some details see here

Flunk does suffer from having has the saturation, contrast and sharpness by the guy who made it (there's a post somewhere where he says this but I don't know where) and as you say this may mean there are some crushed blacks (i never looked into it but I believe you) and there are definitely some problems with clipping on over saturated reds, but the mid range detail still seems good and the it is the least cropped of all the sources so has some merit. However it may be that the perceived detail (see picture of chewie in first link) is a result of the sharpening that was applied. 

It was my intention to correct all the levels and match the colours all the sources then composite the highs and lows in from the TB back into the Flunk, this should be possible as they derive from a common source and map pixel to pixel. (and it is still my intention it's just very delayed).

But it is fair to say that the TB is probably the best in it's current state, just trying to say that there could still be some value in the Flunk.

Is there any way to ascertain the timecode for each film?  It would probably make using the DTS track a lot easier....

Maybe finding the exact running times then doing the math to get the frame counts remembering the 24 frames per second would probably help us work out this synch issue, no?