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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 257

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Bingowings said:

I take back everything I said about this new digi-Yoda.

In motion it's even crappier than the original puppet.

It really looks like CGI had moved backwards since 1999 in those sequences.

The shape is more Yodaish but it moves like they aren't paying the animator enough.


That first shot of that video seemed odd to me for some reason, like there was something a little "off" with Yoda in contrast to his later scenes of the video, so I went back and checked my dvd copy of TPM for reference.... and I was right:

They did not alter the original CG Yoda model in that first shot to match the new CG Yoda model of the later scenes. Lucas, you lazy fu........
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Sure enough. I agree, while the digital model is certainly better than the strange puppet, the animation, lighting, texturing, they all seem to be a bit off. It looks like they didn't have a budget for these new changes, so they did them as fast as possible just to get it done. They honestly look like the effects done for a direct to DVD or TV release, which I guess these technically are...

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I think it's safe to agree there ain't no amount of polish gun' get that turd ta shine.

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Lestrade said:

This whole mess feels insane. I've gone through so many stages of Star Wars grief, I don't know what to do anymore! Stage one: encouraged optimism. Stage two: blissfully ignorant excitement. Stage three: sudden shock and horror. Stage four: prickly malaise.

My wife just sent me this link. The bad-Lucas-press wagon hasn't stopped rolling yet. I don't have anything against the guy, I just feel a confounded confusion about the man. If true, though, then this seems to prove what a lof of other folks here have been saying for years:

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The geeks eventually got their face time with Lucas and I want to stress how respectful these guys were, and that they paid a lot of money for face time with Lucas. This was not a surprise interaction; Lucas came to this event knowing he’d be expected to mingle with the peons. I don’t advocate bugging celebrities in their daily lives, but this was a professional event designed to encourage these interactions. The guys were not out of bounds. They started by telling Lucas that they loved him/the movies/grew up watching them. Then they very politely asked why he wouldn’t make the original versions of the movies available on DVD/Blu-Ray. They stressed that they don’t mind the retroactive edits (doubtful, but they were being nice), they just wanted good digital copies of the original cuts, too. Lucas’s response? An eyeroll and a huffy, “Grow up. These are my movies, not yours.”

Grow up?

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The animation is decent, but why does Yoda look so angry at the end?

Anyway the lighting and rendering looked very fake, but I thought Yoda at the funeral was pretty damn impressive, looked pretty real. Too bad it looks like typical video game integration in most shots, although it is also kind of rewarding to get facial animation which is half decent. The original version was awful too, so I'm not sure if anyone should be complaining or not. I guess we should be complaining that Yoda hasn't looked right since 1983 no matter the film.

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zombie84 said:

I guess we should be complaining that Yoda hasn't looked right since 1983 no matter the film.

 Thats about where I'm at...

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^ hey, sorry to ask this again, but didn't want it to get buried!

does anyone know the situation with the blu-ray sound channels? ie, is there a seperate channel for speech and sfx like in the clone wars blu-ray?

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zombie84 said:

The animation is decent, but why does Yoda look so angry at the end?

I thought Yoda always looked sorta pissed in the PT for some reason..... maybe he needs to go on more rides on that floating toilet that was in EP2, lol.

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R2D2 said:

  • Yoda communes with Qui-Gon scene not in the movie

 

I'm sad.  You bring in Liam Neeson to do a voice over for Clone Wars but don't shoot this?

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I agree.  The CG Yoda just always looked very mean and unhappy.  Say what you will about the Episode I puppet (at least the eyes were closer to looking like Yoda than the CG one... why can't they ever get that right?!), but Yoda's never looked happier.

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On the GL quote article from last years Field Museum ESB showing in the Gossip blog.  If someone who uses twitter could ask the writer if they might know of someone else who could verify the story, here's the twitter feed to ask.

http://twitter.com/#!/CineSnark

I tried sending an e-mail, but they directed me to the twitter which I don't use.  Thanks.

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JasonN said:

zombie84 said:

The animation is decent, but why does Yoda look so angry at the end?

I thought Yoda always looked sorta pissed in the PT for some reason..... maybe he needs to go on more rides on that floating toilet that was in EP2, lol.

 LOL

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ben_danger said:

does anyone know the situation with the blu-ray sound channels? i believe clone wars blu-ray had an independent channel for speech and some SFX.

The dialogue and sound effects aren't independent of the blu-ray mixes. the music still bleeds into the centre channel. It would have been good if the new mixes had gone down the Clone wars route, but they haven't.

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I've never read or heard about this 30th anniv.Empire, after party "meet and greet". I used to be a big Lucas apologist,but if this story is true and even if George is "tired" of being questioned even politely,about his "Product" then that's too god damned bad! Since the very beginning when he got the licenses to sell Star Wars posters and pins,it was all about him being able to finance these movies. I admired that he wanted the ability to make these films HIS way without Hollywood interference,but come on...he and his companies have been churning out toys,trading cards,models,statues,etc,etc. Countless fiction and non fiction books have been published. I personally love reference,"making of" books and they have churned out a Library full of them. I've bought many of them and other products enabling Lucas to develop his "Empire of Dreams". Now to hear him tell true fans in person to "grow up....its only a movie"????? No George,it's not. You've made it a multi generational phenom! I once,not long ago thought he was the creator of a world I loved to visit and explore,but anymore my admiration goes to all the wonderful artists whose blood,sweat and tears went into making the magic.Mr.Lucas is ,in my "geeky" way,only the evil Emperor who's been playing us like a "harp from Hell", not giving a crap about his subjects/fans. Lucas with his frustrated "grow up,these are only movies" moment,has now made me feel like what was once a beautiful relationship,now is just him saying "umm,thanks for the f**k,now F**K OFF!

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adywan said:

ben_danger said:

does anyone know the situation with the blu-ray sound channels? i believe clone wars blu-ray had an independent channel for speech and some SFX.

The dialogue and sound effects aren't independent of the blu-ray mixes. the music still bleeds into the centre channel. It would have been good if the new mixes had gone down the Clone wars route, but they haven't.

arrghhh! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

that really is SO frustrating, I bet its still shit and all over the place like the DVD release. such a joke.

thanks for confirming though adywan!

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His entire fortune and the life he and his family enjoys is completely built on guys being unusually devoted to the 3 movies. Class.

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George Lucas makes it pretty damn hard to be a Star Wars fan these days.

Gaffer Tape, I wholeheartedly agree with you concerning the theatrical versions of the prequels. Like I said in another post, it would be nice if GL showed some goodwill towards the fans by throwing in the theatrical cut of TPM with the blu-ray 3D package next year.

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 Then they very politely asked why he wouldn’t make the original versions of the movies available on DVD/Blu-Ray. They stressed that they don’t mind the retroactive edits (doubtful, but they were being nice), they just wanted good digital copies of the original cuts, too. Lucas’s response? An eyeroll and a huffy, “Grow up. These are my movies, not yours.”

 

 What I have come to understand about Lucas is if you don't follow his vision 100%, he DOESNT want you to be a fan. 

Think about it, he has been pulling this shit since 1980, except we were the fans who followed his vision back then so we never saw the way he treated the Star Wars 77 fans.

If you loved the Original Star Wars, everything changed in 1980.  Vader became Lukes father, then a bigger smack in the face was Luke and Leia being siblings!  Then Obiwan becomes the biggest liar as everything he says in the original is contradicted.  Now the movie is called Episode IV:  A New Hope, as it isn't referred by Lucas as Star Wars anymore.  The only reason it was still listed as Star Wars on the VHS sleeves was because FOX owned the rights, but after they gave up the rights to SW for the right to distribute the PT, every release after was A New Hope.

Star Wars was never sold seperate as you had to buy the Star Wars Trilogy, or fuck you he could care less as you have to see the movies 4,5,6.  Fast Forward to 1997, everything changes as we (OOT fans) are pushed aside like the SW 77 fans.  The SE comes out and the OOT is nowhere to be found in good quality again.  The PT comes out, and now the Saga is 1-6, and either you see it like that along with updates to the 4-6, or fuck you, that's the way the movies are now.

As much as I disagree with Lucas in his way of thinking, he has always had contempt for the fanbase that doesn't look at things his way RIGHT NOW at the moment.  Right now, in his mind, the OOT crowd is old news, and he doesn't want us as part of the fanbase anymore, hence why he won't release the OOT the right way for us to enjoy it.

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Ugh, what the hell ever happened to George? It's like in the mid-90's his whole philosophy of film-making suddenly changed.

"Hey, George, how about we get three great directors, one for each of the prequels???"

"Nah, I'll just fill the original trilogy with cgi and direct the prequels myself. That way, they'll look better by comparison."

Let's nevermind the fact that the guy hadn't directed anything since 1977. Seriously, when you're in charge of a billion dollar corporation, it's pretty hard to be an artist at the same time. I just don't think you can have it both ways.

Episode I was GL's midlife crisis.

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I blame the people who continue to line George's pockets. STOP BUYING SW CRAP.

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”

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Ever notice how when a really successful new food product comes out, does well for a few months, then all of a sudden you notice they're making them smaller, putting less topping on them, or the recipe tastes cheaper? Well thats essentially what GL has done. The brand was established, then brand loyalty.......then he could do what he wanted. Its not going to change

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Fang Zei said:

I should clarify for everyone on these forums that Lowry's 2004 restorations were only done at 1920:1080 (a.k.a. "Full HD"), not 2K. I know this because there was an audio recording of a press conference that I downloaded from TF.N back in '04 and someone asked the Lowry guys what resolution they were working at. They answered "1920:1080" and the journalist went "oh, so, 2K?" and the Lowry guy specified "Uhhhh, no, 1920:1080 HD."

re: The DNR on TPM.

You've gotta be kidding me if that's how the actual blu-ray looks. That's Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition levels of bad DNR.

So after reading Vidiot on the Steve Hoffman boards say that the 2K scan was reduced to HDcam 1080 tape for workflow and that the process was rushed:

I think LFL just used that 1080 tape reduction for the whole project and then sent the 04 1080 master to Lowry for cleanup. It would be cheaper, but more distressingly, the added effects would be stuck at 1080p. This is sooo freaking stupid. Why even do a 2K scan in the first place? Why restore the trilogy in 1997? There was no point whatsoever!

georgec said:

TPM blu-ray shots look awful. Sharp, yes, but waxy and fake. Seeing it in motion will be much different, but from the still shots CGI Yoda looks more like an oil painting.

Wait, why do I care about the prequels? I guess I just need something Lucas-related to criticize...

You know, I like to revisit TPM occasionally....but this is just plain bad. I don't care about the added 8% detail. This transfer sucks. And the digital Yoda just doesn't work thrown in there like that. I've found that I've grown used to our old friend Crack Yoda.

Not right. This is starting to look like a TPM GOUT!!! WTH!

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