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BmB said:

adywan said:

It goes from the most enjoyable scene to the most pointless scene of the movie just like that.

Most pointless scene? Talk about over exaggeration. This whole scene never sat well with me since 1980. It seemed pretty pointless and unrealistic. The Empire have just turned up and started a blockade around the planet. They are preparing to kick the rebels asses. So what do they do? They see the first transport and 2 x-wings heading towards them, with no other stardestroyers in sight, and just sits there and waits until it flies straight at it. Oh wait, what if it suddenly turned away from the stardestroyer? oh well, that one slipped by. Oh come on. If they are their to wipe the rebels out, which they planned to do with aerial bombardments, they certainly wouldn't have just sat there. They would have tried to destroy the transport and it's escorts. Vader knew Luke wouldn't be on one of those transports so they would have been just cannon fodder.

As it stood originally it just looked like an easy escape. There was no sense of danger apart from one stationary stardestroyer that was doing sod all. It wasn't a surprising victory at all. I never felt that the transport was in any danger of being captured or destroyed. I always wondered why they just sat there and so did a lot of other people.

They never change course, they never "just sit there". The reason they aren't firing is because the ships are out of range obviously. They don't do anything when the transport flies past because they are busy being disabled by the ion cannon. It's an easy escape yes, but only because the empire completely underestimated the power of the ion cannon, which it what makes it so enjoyable. Why should it be a hard gritty trudge to escape when you have such a powerful weapon to back you up? That would just be frustrating to watch.

As it stands it has an emotional place in the battle. With your changes it means nothing and is completely pointless.

I didn't say that they changed course i said that they could have, there's a big difference. Who says they underestimated the power of the ion canon? nowhere in that scene does it imply that fact. That is just your interpretation same as my explanation is mine. And i'm sorry but the stardestroyer is just sitting there.And not once did i say that they just sit there when the transport flies past

Why should it be a hard gritty trudge to escape when you have such a powerful weapon to back you up? That would just be frustrating to watch.

As it stands it has an emotional place in the battle. With your changes it means nothing and is completely pointless.

Bit of a contradiction there. You say that originally it has an emotional place in the battle but my changes mean nothing and are pointless in your last line but previously say that it would be frustrating to watch if it was a "gritty trudge" to escape. Well isn't frustration an emotion? and it is a battle after all.

So you're logic is that it shouldn't be a difficult escape because the Rebels have such a powerful weapon to back them up and that the transport should escape as easily as it does originally? So why even bother to provide 2 X-wings as escorts if it should be so easy? And why later on in the battle is Rieekan so worried that they can't protect 2 transports at a time? they got away so easily the first time and surely the ion cannon can just blast any stardestroyer in their path.

I don't just add these things because they might look cool you know. Everything i do is carefully planned out. And things i have added that later on i don't think works, no matter how much time i may have worked on a shot or how good i think it may look, it will get removed. For instance adding the TIE's firing at the falcon firing the Asteroid scene. I really liked it and so did a lot of other people but it just didn't work as there was too much going on in that scene  with them added. Without them it showed just how dangerous the flight through the asteroid field was as the TIE pilots couldn't concentrate on both avoiding smashing into the asteroids and targeting and firing at the falcon at the same time. So that didn't work and it was omitted. But this isn't one of those scenes. And it isn't an animated explosion either as i would never use a CG animated explosion, only real ones as were used in the original versions

adywan said:

I don't just add these things because they might look cool you know. Everything i do is carefully planned out. And things i have added that later on i don't think works, no matter how much time i may have worked on a shot or how good i think it may look, it will get removed. For instance adding the TIE's firing at the falcon firing the Asteroid scene. I really liked it and so did a lot of other people but it just didn't work as there was too much going on in that scene  with them added. Without them it showed just how dangerous the flight through the asteroid field was as the TIE pilots couldn't concentrate on both avoiding smashing into the asteroids and targeting and firing at the falcon at the same time. So that didn't work and it was omitted. But this isn't one of those scenes.

It just so happens that the stuff you add looks cool as a bonus Admiral. ^^ Alrighty... There are several things that are justifiable about the changes Ady has done AND some of these are supported by the EU as well and I will reframe as much as possible from unleashing EU fully... =D

Someone earlier said something about the color of the ion cannon... Lemme get that one first: The ion cannon (I could of said the KDY v-150 Planet Defender class ion cannon... see how good I'm being?! ^^) is suppose to be blue, ion cannons have been established in ANH as blue with electrical discharging sparks. Recall R2 being shot in the canyon by the jawa: blue. In X-wing and TIE fighter the games: blue. Now ion cannon in Revisited: BLUE! yay! ^^ Considering how much blue Ady has removed from ESB maybe he thought he'd add some back with some hot ionized blasting awesomeness.

Now... along the lines of surrounding the planet "so nothing gets off the system"... THANK YOU ADY! Unless you want to restore it back to ESB like in Something Something Darkside... Leia/Loise: "We are not evacuating into space, with literally infinite directions to flee but we have decided to fly directly at that one star destroyer..."

The imperial fleet looks awesome now surrounding the planet just waiting and stalking. As the transport and her escorts come up they are now fired upon which makes so much more sense. They're out to lay waste to the Rebels, they're called the Death Squadron for a reason... (oh crap... EU.) So having the SD frag at least 1 of it's escorts does make sense because really... it's war and further more this is Star Wars... a rebel ship of some sort has to blow up. lol... (I'd also add a couple of hits on the Medium transport as well cos it's a huge target as well... but that's me...). Anyway, they fly a straight course backed up by ion cannon shot and now are seen hyping out of the system which adds futher awesome to "The first transport is away". There's your small victory really, the Rebellion will continue, some small hopeful Rebels escape the Empire with the people and weapons to continue the fight and if that is the ONLY ship that makes it out then at least the Rebellion will continue. 

I could go into hyperspace exit vectors concerning the near by asteriod field and thus ship positioning around the planet is predetermined to further limit the rebel's escape vectors but I hope it doesn't go there... Riiiiight? Now let Ady get back to his awesomeness and/or rest. This has become rather pointless.

A B C, i think it was more of the manor in which he put his point of view across rather than what he said that got everyone riled up. I will always put my point of view across and my reasoning why i have done something in my edit and welcome constructive criticism. If someone doesn't like it then that is up to them and they don't have to watch my edits. It really doesn't bother me. But there are ways of putting your point of view across without being plain rude

I like Ady's version indeed, but... did anybody consider the possibility that the Imps wanted the Rebels alive and just tried to catch them with a tractor beam as they passed by? That could explain why they were sitting there and not firing at all :)

*realises been holding popcorn bucket for a whole page... passes it on*

euroherbal said:

I like Ady's version indeed, but... did anybody consider the possibility that the Imps wanted the Rebels alive and just tried to catch them with a tractor beam as they passed by? That could explain why they were sitting there and not firing at all :)

He does say "our first catch of the day"... It's possible I suppose. ^^

Imagine the fleet deploying as a fishnet trying to *literally* catch the fleeing Rebs, just add three or four SD at equidistant points and the "not-firing scenario" makes sense!

Anyone willing to provide a mock-up? :))

A B C said:

Rogue Leader said:

... This has become rather pointless.

 

Perhaps BmB just tried to explain his point of view in front of the overall snow ball chain reactions.

The discussion may even be interesting if people stopped thinking "I'm right - You're wrong - I'm right - You're wrong" as well as seeing offenses in every word they read !

Damn ! Why reading a disagreement here by an unkown person always make your heads explose and pump your egos ?!

 

Discussion is one thing, pressing a moot unpopular point is another. Furthermore, as discussions like these have disintegrate into furballs before I can safely say that Ady has better things to do concerning ESB Revisited or recoup, rather than countering extremely started retorts. "I'm gonna freak if I don't see such and such added" etc... no your not, calm the fierfek down.

I would also like to say that forcing such issues is not conducive to Ady's stress levels and we all know about his overall condition. It's never fun to restate reasoning or being on the defensive because someone won't let go of an issue. This stopped being a discussion a while ago and turned into a extremely pointless debate. I only check these boards every few days for this reason. Not saying debate its bad, but it's the manner it's carried out... with extreme words and harsh criticism leads to anger and the like... Reminds me of politics actually... Anyway, bottom line is that we all care about this movie, that much is clear, but it is the manner in which ideas/suggestion/criticisms are offered that is often the problem... it should be civil, not extreme, other wise it escalates quite easily.

I am easily guilty about pressing a point too far and I do what I can to improve upon that. The EU for example... I'm well aware Ady doesn't give a care about the EU when it comes to Revisited. However, it just so happens that Ady's additions is in correlation to the EU in some cases. Why? Because the EU also attempts to give validity to Lucas's mess in its own way much like Ady's Revisited gives validity to the OTs continuity and overall look (ie Blue ion canon).

Regardless, I have debated with Ady on points as well and we have never disintegrated into saying extreme things because there is always a measure of respect and trust. If we can foster that ideal in what we all say here then discussions can happen without the "I'm right, your wrong" mentality. No one is ever really right, nor is anyone really wrong, but Ady in the end has the final say, cos this is his edit. It is IMPOSSIBLE for us all to agree all the time, but it is perfectly okay to agree to disagree.

Oh... and if ego could power shields, I'd be invincible. ^^

As such, I agree with Rogue Leader.
I say we drop the whole thing, and put faith in what Ady does.
We've done it once before, and look at the sheer quality of what he gave us.

Trust in Ady, and let him (and this useless debate) be.
May the Force be with him. (Corny, I know)

Jaitea said:

The Devastator needed to disable the Tantive 4 with a blast in order to pull it in, and that was in persuit, with that in mind would a tractor beam be that effective in capturing vessels accelerating towards them when they were almost static?

Also remember the scenes that follow with the pursuit of the Falcon...

J

If anything, in my opinion, it would be easier as they're moving towards them, and could therefore use their momentum to pull them in easier. No?

I like big juicy apples!!!

Radi0n said:

As such, I agree with Rogue Leader.
I say we drop the whole thing, and put faith in what Ady does.
We've done it once before, and look at the sheer quality of what he gave us.

Trust in Ady, and let him (and this useless debate) be.
May the Force be with him. (Corny, I know)

Jaitea said:

The Devastator needed to disable the Tantive 4 with a blast in order to pull it in, and that was in persuit, with that in mind would a tractor beam be that effective in capturing vessels accelerating towards them when they were almost static?

Also remember the scenes that follow with the pursuit of the Falcon...

J

If anything, in my opinion, it would be easier as they're moving towards them, and could therefore use their momentum to pull them in easier. No?

Tractor beams are most effective when a ship is slowed down in the first place. As the transports and it's escort are hauling ass to get out of the Hoth System a tractor beam trying stop it would be highly ineffective. If capture was the plan like Tantive IV their best hope is to disable their shields as much as possible and target the engines OR hope that the ship being shot at transfers power from weapons and engines to reinforce it's shields slowing it down enough for a tractor capture. Then it's ground and pound with ion canons... At least those would be the tactics I'd pursue. Either way, it involves shooting at the transport. Yay turbolasers. ^^ 

I forgot to specify that the fishnet deployment of the fleet is *static*, of course: I sit here waiting until fishes try to pass thru the holes... moment in which I capture you with my strong tractor beam without firing a single laser bolt (we redirected all energy from the laser guns to the tractor beam, so no-one could ever escape... just like the DS on the MF, even with her shields on).

Hey! But anyway, I *do* like Ady's version!!! :D

The Rebel Transports having to fly close to a Star Destroyer in order to escape, I think mainly has to do with the hyperspace lanes. Even in TPM, the Trade Federation didn't have enough ships to cover the entire planet. I'm sure in ESB and TPM, blockading ships were focused near safe hyperspace travel lanes. Granted I know I'm throwing in some EU here, but I feel that's a logical reason as to why the escaping ships fly so close (if you aren't satisfied with it just being a chance in the movie to have a cool action scene). Also I'm sure when an star destroyer detected a transport within its sector, they would try to reposition for an intercept.

The Rebel Transports could have just picked any direction were an star destroyer wasn't positioned, but then they risk the chance of being pursued by fighters or something else, as they make their way to a safe vector to jump to lightspeed.

Heading straight for a safe/known hyperspace route seemed the fastest way to escape, and they have the ion cannon there for this very purpose, to clear a path.

brash_stryker said:

 

 so that's how I think this Ion Cannon should be too.

 

Ion Cannon too: Electric boogaloo

I think you just outrandomed yourself there, HotRod. :)

(I accidentally typed HotRoid first)

BmB said:

nowhere in the OT is even a Star Destroyer being portrayed as having a range of more than a few hundred meters. Suddenly one is bullseyeing X-Wings while it's practically still a dot on the horizon.

Well, there are usually a bunch of ships zipping around them, not 2 or 3 heading straight for them, giving the laserjocks proper time to aim and fire.

BmB said:

[continuation of increasingly fruitless rant]

BmB, give it a rest already.

Adywan is making a creative decision of his own (of which I personally would freely accept either outcome that resulted from it.)

Maybe the Star Destroyer was going to try capturing the ships; maybe it wasn't, and Lucas and company left out a detail wherein it ought to have been firing; maybe you ought to watch that whole scene from ESBR in its full context first; or maybe Adywan is the man and you should count your blessings that he is making this fan edit at all.


My point is -- why is it such a big deal? Sure, you disagree. We understand that. It's unnecessary to beat a dead horse though.