Can either of you please provide a source for these claims?
This is from the deleted scenes.
Interesting discussion, and I think both sides have made good points!
I think for me it comes down to this.
Shopping Maul said:
Training is crucial in the OT. Not in the ST.I think this statement is basically true, but I also don’t think that’s a bad thing. As RL outlined, there is something special about the way the force is behaving, and for me, I’m not interested in another Jedi training arc.
In fact, turning that concept on it’s head is precisely the direction that makes the ST interesting for me. And that much or most of Rey’s training comes from Kylo-Ren is especially interesting. Whether they pay it off in a meaningful way is yet to be see, but I like that their toying with the concepts of good and evil.
The mind-linking in Last Jedi was some of the most creative and interesting material to emerge from Star Wars in a long time.
I absolutely agree with you here, at least in theory. I think the ideas are great, and another Jedi training arc would’ve been redundant as you say. I just think the writing lets it down. In my estimation, everyone on this thread is giving the whole thing infinitely more writing/lore consideration than JJ Abrams ever did. It feels to me like JJ and co. simply threw ‘cool stuff’ onto the page/screen and we as fans are left concocting all kinds of ways to make it work. None of us want Star Wars to suck right? So we do the writing for him - ‘gee, maybe the Force is acting this way, maybe it’s acting that way’ etc etc.
Of course JJ is following Lucas’ post-TESB example in this regard, and that’s why we as fans consistently have to come up with genius in-universe ways to make George’s clumsy inconsistencies make sense. I just think it’s a shame. The movies are fun and cool and very pretty. That’s nice but, a la ANH and TESB, they could’ve been brilliant.