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Post #99816

Author
Trooperman
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Date created
4-Apr-2005, 9:35 PM
WHY THE KESSEL are you taking the Yoda-Dokuu fight out!?!?!

Because it’s silly, and not in the style of the OT.

Not even MagnoliaFan was that cynical!

Ha ha! I take that as a compliment. I am attempting to make a “classic” out of Ep. II and to give it an older feel, and Yoda with a lightsaber goes against this.

Awesome list Trooperman. There's a lot of stuff on there that I had considered doing for my edit one day. Now I will go total obsessed fanboy on you and comment on everything. Yes, I know I need a life.

No, you don’t need a life! You need to continue to comment on my edit; I enjoy it.

I know this isn't what you meant, but I think it would be a good idea to try and make your edit first without redubbing Anakin at all. That way if it doesn't turn out well we're just stuck with Hayden instead of nothing. But considering the nature of some of the alterations, such as the lakeside scene, this might not be possible.

Good idea, but I don’t think I’m going to create a finished version of my edit with Hayden’s voice. However, after I have made all of my cuts and adjustments (with the original voice), I will archive it before creating the new sound mix, so as to have something to fall back on if the dubbing doesn’t work (but it will!).

Please, please, please, delete "Good call my young Padawan!" Way too Batman and Robin for my taste.


Will do; I don’t mind that change. I’ll change it to, “Good call.”

i mean, the wounds were courterized


If lightsaber wounds are cauterized, then why the pile of blood on the floor of the cantina in the original SW? Just a thought.

Idea on keeping the Yoda lightsaber duel, which is almost necessary in a way IMO.


this seen is filled with contradictions/problems might be better to just get rid of it



We clearly have some differences of opinion here; this has become a hot topic! Perhaps you will understand where I’m coming from when you see my plan for the scene:

Obi-Wan and Anakin enter the room. (first three notes of Space Odyssey theme).

Dooku turns to face them (the two dramatic chords following).

Obi-Wan: We’ll take him together.
CUT
Shot of Dooku smiling knowingly.

CUT to clone war footage which has been excised previously in the film for this purpose. Then, suddenly, we cut unexpectedly to the clashing of lightsabers (in classic Star Wars tradition). We see Obi-Wan and Dooku in the middle of their duel. We have a shot sandwiched in of Anakin lying on the floor, smoking and helpless. Dooku had defeated him easily.

This serves two purposes: I needed to get rid of Dooku’s lightning (explained below), and I also wanted to make Anakin seem less stupid. Yes, I know that the attempt was to make Anakin seem headstrong and too ambitious, but he just winds up looking stupid. Better to cut away from the battle for a while and then come back in the middle of the duel with Obi-Wan.

Fight between Obi-Wan and Dooku progresses, until the Count wounds Obi-Wan (I’ll see what I can do about making his wound bigger). Dooku lifts his saber to deal the death-blow, but is stopped by Anakin’s blade (a surprise. I’ve omitted the CG shot of Anakin jumping across the room. This makes sense because without seeing Dooku zap Anakin, you don’t know how far away from Obi-Wan he is.

Dooku’s dialogue about how he thought Anakin learned his lesson is confirmation for the audience that Dooku wounded Anakin (if they needed any).

And I’ve left it alone until Yoda comes in. At that point, Dooku sends the objects flying at Yoda with the Force, and Yoda stops them all. “The dark side I sense in you,” says Yoda. “This is just the beginning,” says Dooku (dialogue taken from lightsaber fight). And then he uses the force to bring the crane down onto the Jedi. Yoda saves the day (with a little less effort than in the film), but Dooku escapes.

Why am I deleting the electricity scene with Yoda and Dooku, you ask? I think that the Force electricity should be a special power that only Palpatine has. This would raise ROTJ’s impact, because this is the first time the audience has seen anything like this. That’s why I’ve deleted all three times when Dooku uses the electricity. The lightning in this one doesn’t look real; it looks CG. Also, the thing that bothered me the most was the lack of effort with which Dooku uses the electricity. If you look at the scene in ROTJ, Palpatine is putting forth an enormous effort when he zaps Luke; he isn’t casual like Dooku. And is Palpatine not more powerful than Dooku? It has always bothered me how Dooku doesn’t look like he’s really doing anything.

I might change this to include the lightning scene with Yoda if the cut winds up with a weak build-up and finale. I don’t know; the lightning with Yoda actually worked really well dramatically. I’ll think long and hard about that one. But I’m sticking to my guns on Yoda with a lightsaber! (in this film, anyway)

Other changes….

Oh, yes. I like the idea of Zam’s not being a changeling. It serves no purpose other than a needless distraction, and removing the changeling line does result in that funny line by Obi-Wan (in that case, be extra careful). Immediately after that, I’ll cut to a wide shot of the club, and the music will come more to the foreground. Therefore, I will use MagnoliaFan’s ideas in regard to that.

Thanks for all the advice! I value your input and oftentimes make use of it in my work.