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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS ** — Page 116

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Well I’m sorry that I think the show is more than mindless PT garbage for children.

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Tyrphanax said:

Well I’m sorry that I think the show is more than mindless PT garbage for children.

Oh no I meant that it isn’t but that people claim it’s amazing television or something better than it is to prove that.

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DominicCobb said:
For a compelling Anakin, read the ROTS novelization or Labyrinth of Evil.

Fuck. Yes. Buuuut I don’t think it would be fair to use that version of Anakin either because there are multiple stories preceding it that develop Anakin’s character. And before anyone says anything I remember that the Before The Awakening books exist but that is one book per character and Anakin was either at the end of his arc or was pretty damn close to it (in the case of LoE) while Finn, Poe, Rey and Kylo Ren are at the start of theirs. We still have so much to know about these new characters. Rian Johnson has stated recently that Episode VIII will be diving into the core of these characters and what motivates them. With that being stated I think it will only be fair to compare Anakin to the ST characters at the very least Episode VIII comes out.

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DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

Well I’m sorry that I think the show is more than mindless PT garbage for children.

Oh no I meant that it isn’t but that people claim it’s amazing television or something better than it is to prove that.

My apologies for the sarcasm then!

Lord Haseo said:

DominicCobb said:
For a compelling Anakin, read the ROTS novelization or Labyrinth of Evil.

Fuck. Yes. Buuuut I don’t think it would be fair to use that version of Anakin either because there are multiple stories preceding it that develop Anakin’s character. And before anyone says anything I remember that the Before The Awakening books exist but that is one book per character and Anakin was either at the end of his arc or was pretty damn close to it (in the case of LoE) while Finn, Poe, Rey and Kylo Ren are at the start of theirs. We still have so much to know about these new characters. Rian Johnson has stated recently that Episode VIII will be diving into the core of these characters and what motivates them. With that being stated I think it will only be fair to compare Anakin to the ST characters at the very least Episode VIII comes out.

That’s my hope for VIII.

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DominicCobb said:

ray_afraid said:

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I agree Anakin is better on TCW than in the PT but that is a very low bar. He is passable but honestly I find it hard to care for any of the characters in TCW. It’s a half-hour non-serialized kids show

This is all I ever found it to be as well. The praise it gets is something I’ll never understand.

I think mainly people feel the need to overpraise it to convince others that it’s not just a mindless kid’s show and/or more PT garbage but I think it can be pretty fun to watch.

I pretty much agree. AFAIK, I’m one of the youngest people on this site, and I watched the show religiously when it was new. I saw every episode on it’s first broadcast.

I only have clear memories of these two, episodes. I have vague memories of later episodes, but it was all just mindless action and spectacle to me (which was very appealing to 10 yr old me).

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DominicCobb said:

It’s a half-hour non-serialized kids show driven by mostly action (basically never character) so I guess that’s to be expected.

I find complaints like these are usually made by people that either never watched the series or never made it passed the first season.

The first couple of seasons, especially the first, are all over the place in terms of when they take place in the timeline. But beginning around season three they really started to focus on keeping the series on a linear path through the war.

Also, the series is packed with character development. And it’s not just focused on the main characters.

We see a batch of clones from their first assignment through to the last days of the war.

Ahsoka throughout the entire series continued to grow and mature as the series went.

Even the villains were never stagnant but continued to grow and evolve as time passed. From Ventress to Maul and Savage, they all got their own story arcs devoted to them. Even a character like Hondo saw some growth throughout the series.

So I find claims that the series was non-serialized and lacked character growth to be outright laughable.

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Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s a half-hour non-serialized kids show driven by mostly action (basically never character) so I guess that’s to be expected.

I find complaints like these are usually made by people that either never watched the series or never made it passed the first season.

The first couple of seasons, especially the first, are all over the place in terms of when they take place in the timeline. But beginning around season three they really started to focus on keeping the series on a linear path through the war.

Also, the series is packed with character development. And it’s not just focused on the main characters.

We see a batch of clones from their first assignment through to the last days of the war.

Ahsoka throughout the entire series continued to grow and mature as the series went.

Even the villains were never stagnant but continued to grow and evolve as time passed. From Ventress to Maul and Savage, they all got their own story arcs devoted to them. Even a character like Hondo saw some growth throughout the series.

So I find claims that the series was non-serialized and lacked character growth to be outright laughable.

I have seen every single episode (and recently - all last year). Just because there was character growth and development doesn’t make the show character driven. Just because there were arcs doesn’t make the show non-serialized.

I’m not saying the show was completely lacking in character progression but it’s hard to care about them in the same way that you do about the Rebels group even (a core set of characters in every episode and much more serialized).

Don’t know what it says but pretty much all my favorite episodes are the clone-centric ones. They always nailed that.

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At least the final three episodes of TCW put an end to the EU’s everyone-becoming-a-force-ghost nonsense and Darth Bane’s silly EU design.

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He only wore the Orbalisk armor in Rule of Two. You would know that if you actually read the novels.

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fyi the TCW episode with Darth Bane created an even bigger problem by making Bane a generic Sith. I would prefer a character who is compelling than one who looked cool.

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Lord Haseo said:

He only wore the Orbalisk armor in Rule of Two. You would know that if you actually read the novels.

He could be talking about the “bald Alice Cooper” look.

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Lord Haseo said:
the TCW episode with Darth Bane created an even bigger problem by making Bane a generic Sith. I would prefer a character who is compelling than one who looked cool.

Not everyone shares your opinion that TCW Bane is “a generic Sith” or “not compelling” or that it’s a “problem”.

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Lord Haseo said:

He only wore the Orbalisk armor in Rule of Two. You would know that if you actually read the novels.

He could be talking about the “bald Alice Cooper” look.

I’m talking about the orbalisk armor, the bald Alice Cooper look, and the guyliner.

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darklordoftech said:

Lord Haseo said:
the TCW episode with Darth Bane created an even bigger problem by making Bane a generic Sith. I would prefer a character who is compelling than one who looked cool.

Not everyone shares your opinion that TCW Bane is “a generic Sith” or “not compelling” or that it’s a “problem”.

Can you please list the distinct personality traits, aspirations, and philosophy of the TCW Darth Bane? You can’t because he has no depth and there’s nothing to really build upon because the foundation of the canon Bane is hallow.

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Lord Haseo said:

darklordoftech said:

Lord Haseo said:
the TCW episode with Darth Bane created an even bigger problem by making Bane a generic Sith. I would prefer a character who is compelling than one who looked cool.

Not everyone shares your opinion that TCW Bane is “a generic Sith” or “not compelling” or that it’s a “problem”.

Can you please list the distinct personality traits, aspirations, and philosophy of the TCW Darth Bane? You can’t because he has no depth and there’s nothing to really build upon because the foundation of the canon Bane is hallow.

Just because we don’t know information doensn’t mean that it doesn’t have the potential to be interesting. And I can tell you that TCW Bane believes in only training one apprentice so that his apprentices don’t gang up on him.

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darklordoftech said:

Lord Haseo said:

darklordoftech said:

Lord Haseo said:
the TCW episode with Darth Bane created an even bigger problem by making Bane a generic Sith. I would prefer a character who is compelling than one who looked cool.

Not everyone shares your opinion that TCW Bane is “a generic Sith” or “not compelling” or that it’s a “problem”.

Can you please list the distinct personality traits, aspirations, and philosophy of the TCW Darth Bane? You can’t because he has no depth and there’s nothing to really build upon because the foundation of the canon Bane is hallow.

Just because we don’t know information doensn’t mean that it doesn’t have the potential to be interesting.

Technically yes you’re right but it would create a disconnect to what Bane was in life and the apparition that spoke to Yoda on Korriban. I think they should have had him act like the Darth Bane in the Drew Karpyshyn books and changed the look to the Samurai inspired armor that’s in the show.

And I can tell you that TCW Bane believes in only training one apprentice so that his apprentices don’t gang up on him.

That’s the template for a character and pretty much what we got in terms of who the TCW Bane is a template for a Sith. Arrogant as hell, caring too much about people fearing him, stroking his ego about his accomplishments etc. If you took a random Sith mob from Knights of The Old Republic and it’s sequel and dressed them up in the same armor their personalities would be indistinguishable.

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What the heck does any of this have to do with TFA?

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I wonder why the Empire would follow Snoke. They thought that The Force was a “sad devotion to an ancient religion”, so why would they follow a random alien Force master?

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Every great empire reaches a point where going backward can seem more appealing than going forward. When the world is changing so fast, it makes us yearn for the old ways when life seemed simpler. But it doesn’t mean those old ideas are good for us now. We have to face one hard reality as a country … the new Star Wars was not as good as everyone thought it was.

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MalàStrana said:

Every great empire reaches a point where going backward can seem more appealing than going forward. When the world is changing so fast, it makes us yearn for the old ways when life seemed simpler. But it doesn’t mean those old ideas are good for us now. We have to face one hard reality as a county … the new Star Wars was not as good as everyone thought it was.

Aw shucks! There go all my plans for a Star Wars themed County Fair!

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I had a thought while at work about when Rey saved Finn from the Rathtar and I remembered when she attributed him being released due to luck rather than by her hands and it’s one of those small things that makes me find her really likable.