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Post #99728

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Commander Courage
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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3-Apr-2005, 11:55 PM
Awesome list Trooperman. There's a lot of stuff on there that I had considered doing for my edit one day. Now I will go total obsessed fanboy on you and comment on everything. Yes, I know I need a life.

First of all, I will not be dubbing Anakin until late in the game, possibly not until everything else is finished.
I know this isn't what you meant, but I think it would be a good idea to try and make your edit first without redubbing Anakin at all. That way if it doesn't turn out well we're just stuck with Hayden instead of nothing. But considering the nature of some of the alterations, such as the lakeside scene, this might not be possible.

[One think I don’t think fits is the “younglings” scene with Yoda. It seems to be a crowd-pleasing scene (“Aw, aren’t the little kids cute…”), and I think it also makes Obi-Wan look stupid. He doesn’t need a four year old to suggest that the information was deleted; Obi-Wan would have thought of that. I will still utilize a clip of this scene (maybe starting at the point where Obi-Wan asks Yoda whether it’s impossible for anyone to remove information from the archives.)
I'll be very interested in seeing how this is accomplished; those kids were SO weak.

But the bare midriff outfit especially is not in the style of the OT, and so every effort has been made in my edit to cut it down in the film.
Awwwwww....come on!

[Padme no longer gets on the gunship with Obi-Wan and Anakin; she continues to fight in the arena until we see her next (when she shoots at Dooku’s ship). This streamlines the Dooku chase as well, and we don’t have the “Padme falls off the ship” subplot.
The gunship stuff is good, but it's the scene where the trooper finds her which is incredibly weak. But you can't delete one and not the other I suppose.

[1. I’m keeping the fox logo but replacing the glimmering Lucasfilm logo with the original one, only it’s lifted from the Ewok DVD instead of the OT because it’s of better quality.
I don't really think that matters that much, but since you're going for the 70's feel it makes sense.

Anakin and Padme in the grass field has been reworked considerably...
Good. This scene had potential; I especially liked the insight into the mind of the future Vader.

“Blast, this is why I hate flying” and other dumb one-liners by Obi-Wan have been cut.

Please, please, please, delete "Good call my young Padawan!" Way too Batman and Robin for my taste.

8. You don’t see the back of Mace’s head before he ignites his lightsaber; completely ruins his entrance.
9. “This party’s over.” No longer present; didn’t sound very classy coming from a Master Jedi. A couple silly shots of Jedi igniting their sabers have also been cut.

Both good calls. The latter was Samuel L. Jackson, not Mace Windu. And here's a crazy thought, but have you considered making Mace's lightsaber blue? Either that or making other minor Jedi's blades purple, because only one violet saber in the entire galaxy is just silly.

The pause when Dooku about to kill Obi-Wan and Anakin jumps in has been shortened.

I take it you'll be deleted the horrendus CGI Anakin jumping across the room. HORRIBLE, I say, HORRIBLE!

And in case there was any question, Yoda will not be participating in a lightsaber fight with Count Dooku. Dooku will also not be trying to zap him with electricity. Dooku shouldn’t be concerned about having a “contest” with Yoda; he just wants to get the heck out of there. He also knows Yoda too well to try anything like force lightning against him. Therefore, we have Dooku saying, “I’ve grown more powerful than any Jedi.” He then brings the object down onto the two Jedi. He doesn’t say, “Even you.”
The only problem with all this is that Dooku’s saber is still ignited as he runs inside of his ship, but I still want that shot. It’s only about a dozen frames long, so I’m painting the lightsaber out, frame by frame, in Photoshop.

Since learning of the Yoda/Sidious battle in RotS, I had been considering this as well. However, I think there should be SOME sort of battle between the two, or all the build up with Yoda is for nothing. (And you have to admit, the anticipation of Yoda was one of the best parts of the movie). I suggest the "lightning" portion of the duel should stay. And after Yoda says, "Much to learn, you still have," Dooku does the falling object trick. And if "This is just the beginning" could be worked in there before he runs off, that'd be great, but it would take some very clever edting. The good thing about all this is it:
1-Saves Yoda with a lightsaber for Episode 3
2-Takes out all references to Yoda being Dooku's master (WAY too connected)
3-Removes the set up for another confrontation that doesn't happen

Use deleted Jedi Analysis scene. Dub over robot’s voice (in robot mode in Audio HQ) to say “Dex’s” dialogue and identify the bullet. Delete the diner scene, therefore; not classy.

THANK GOODNESS. That whole thing was ridiculous. Although it would have to be set up that Kamino is a planet of cloners.

Oh, I should probably address the Jar-Jar question...

Whatever it takes to fix Jar-Jar, man. Whatever it takes.

Feel welcome to ask any questions; I’ll be happy to answer when I get the chance. Constructive criticism, suggestions, or new ideas are also welcome; I won’t get offended if you don’t agree on some of my changes; I just might not listen to you if I really like my change!

Certainly. If you're still reading this, then I do have a couple more:

-Editing out the fact that Zam Wessel was a shape shifter was a great decision by MagnoliaFan. If you plan on doing the same, I suggest this dialogue:
ANAKIN: I think he is a she.
OBI-WAN: In that case be extra careful.
That Obi-Wan is such a kidder.
-Boba Fett's childish moments need to be trimmed.
-If you were thinking about re-titling it, I think "Dark Force Rising" would be perfect, but that's just me.

Of course I have the easy job, sitting back making suggestions, and critiquing yours while you're the one doing all of the work. But like I said before, I'm just an obsessed fanboy with delusions of editorial grandure.