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Combating the 'Grand Plan' Myth

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So… The myth that Lucas conceived the ‘saga’ as one unified whole is one that really boils my blood, because it leads to these very close-minded view. I’ve encountered a certain breed of fan that believes TFA is offensive by its mere existence because it violates the original six-part structure that Lucas intended.

Bullcrap.

The people on this board are generally more knowledgeable than that, so I’m wondering… Has trivia ever won an argument for you?

Here’s an example: at the Midland marathon, there was someone in conversation who brought up the whole "Leia was the ‘other’ " argument. I was eager to step in and mention the original sister storyline from '78.

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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Tack said:

So… The myth that Lucas conceived the ‘saga’ as one unified whole is one that really boils my blood, because it leads to these very close-minded view. I’ve encountered a certain breed of fan that believes TFA is offensive by its mere existence because it violates the original six-part structure that Lucas intended.

I haven’t heard this but I’ve heard something along the lines of “TFA is offensive because the galaxy didn’t live happily ever after”

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Lord Haseo said:

Tack said:

So… The myth that Lucas conceived the ‘saga’ as one unified whole is one that really boils my blood, because it leads to these very close-minded view. I’ve encountered a certain breed of fan that believes TFA is offensive by its mere existence because it violates the original six-part structure that Lucas intended.

I haven’t heard this but I’ve heard something along the lines of “TFA is offensive because the galaxy didn’t live happily ever after”

I’ve heard that too, this theory that TFA somehow ruined ROTJ by its very existence.

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It’s especially bullcrap when you consider that it was Lucas himself who made the decision to go ahead and make 7-9 anyway, despite his previous statements that he wouldn’t. I don’t know the details of his outline circa 2011/2012, but something tells me it had a little more plot than “the galaxy lives happily ever after.”

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But who wouldn’t want to watch three movies about a bunch of people living normal lives without conflict?

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TV’s Frink said:

But who wouldn’t want to watch three movies about a bunch of people living normal lives without conflict?

Sounds like a Millennial thing.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

But who wouldn’t want to watch three movies about a bunch of people living normal lives without conflict?

Sounds like a Millennial thing.

More specifically, the genre is called “Mumblecore.”

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I once avoided a fight in high school by playing Trivia Pursuit, does that count?

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TV’s Frink said:

I once avoided a fight in high school by playing Trivia Pursuit, does that count?

If you challenged the aggressor to a game of Trivial Pursuit in lieu of a fight… Yes.

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Tack said:

So… The myth that Lucas conceived the ‘saga’ as one unified whole is one that really boils my blood, because it leads to these very close-minded view. I’ve encountered a certain breed of fan that believes TFA is offensive by its mere existence because it violates the original six-part structure that Lucas intended.

I haven’t heard this but I’ve heard something along the lines of “TFA is offensive because the galaxy didn’t live happily ever after”

I’ve heard that too, this theory that TFA somehow ruined ROTJ by its very existence.

As if

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.

wasn’t written in the crawl. The Rebels still won but some people are acting as if they retconned the destruction of The Empire. Another reason people say TFA ruined ROTJ is that Leia and Han aren’t together and that has a bit of merit but as I see it it’s a realistic outcome of their son turning into a heinous murderer. Secondly, they reconciled with each other.

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I don’t think it has any merit, on the contrary splitting them up was a really interesting way to go.

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Happily married Han and Leia would’ve been the safest move, splitting them up is far more interesting. Plus, it sort of fits into the meta-commentary theory about the film.

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Your new, non-viewable signature image from ezgif.com is fantastic. Please never change it.

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It was certainly unexpected and that’s another complaint I don’t get…I have heard many people say that the film took the safest route possible. I disagree due to the fact that:

  1. Rey is more competent than Luke was in STAR WARS
  2. Kylo is a villain in training
  3. Han and Leia aren’t together
  4. Luke is only in the final scene of the film

etc. I think they took plenty of risks and I hope Episode VIII will double down on it and give us a strange and refreshing film.

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TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Tack said:

So… The myth that Lucas conceived the ‘saga’ as one unified whole is one that really boils my blood, because it leads to these very close-minded view. I’ve encountered a certain breed of fan that believes TFA is offensive by its mere existence because it violates the original six-part structure that Lucas intended.

I haven’t heard this but I’ve heard something along the lines of “TFA is offensive because the galaxy didn’t live happily ever after”

I’ve heard that too, this theory that TFA somehow ruined ROTJ by its very existence.

Quite impossible. ROTJ was ruined by its own existence.

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The myth is pretty easy to dispel when the Maker himself has admitted to it. Here’s an excerpt from a letter GL wrote to the showrunners on LOST:

Congratulations on pulling off an amazing show. Don’t tell anyone … but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories — let’s call them homages — and you’ve got a series.

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Tobar said:

The myth is pretty easy to dispel when the Maker himself has admitted to it. Here’s an excerpt from a letter GL wrote to the showrunners on LOST:

Congratulations on pulling off an amazing show. Don’t tell anyone … but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories — let’s call them homages — and you’ve got a series.

I mean, you’re not wrong, but that was pretty tongue-in-cheek.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Tack said:

So… The myth that Lucas conceived the ‘saga’ as one unified whole is one that really boils my blood, because it leads to these very close-minded view. I’ve encountered a certain breed of fan that believes TFA is offensive by its mere existence because it violates the original six-part structure that Lucas intended.

I haven’t heard this but I’ve heard something along the lines of “TFA is offensive because the galaxy didn’t live happily ever after”

I’ve heard that too, this theory that TFA somehow ruined ROTJ by its very existence.

Quite impossible. ROTJ was ruined by its own existence.

ROTJ was ruined by ROTLA 😉

According to Michael Kaminski’s ‘The Secret History of Star Wars’:

Ths smashing success of ‘Raiders’ has been said to have changed much the direction of the future Star Wars films. “This idea that the roller-coaster ride was all the audience was interested in,” said Kurtz, “and the story doesn’t have to be very adult or interesting, seemed to come up because of what happened with ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark’ and the Indiana Jones films - and the fact that that seemed to make a lot of money.”

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
The hallmark of a corrupt leader: Being surrounded by yes men.
‘The best visual effects in the world will not compensate for a story told badly.’ - V.E.S.
‘Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest.’ - SilverWook

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I like TFA, but did the new empire have to be that much more powerful? I didn’t mind it till they got another deathstar that can destroy 5 planets at once.

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Well it has been 30 years. 30 years in that galaxy is probably like 200 years worth of progression in real life.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

And yet they still lack anti-aging medicine …

If you want a movie about anti-aging remedies in space, go watch Star Trek: Insurrection.

Actually, don’t do that, you’ll wanna tear your eyes and ears out and shove them in a blender.

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