I guess it comes down to how seriously you think the films take themselves and how seriously you then accordingly judge them.

To me you can really enjoy such a film as Death Proof but you have go in knowing it’s going to a direct re-creation/homage to trashy, low budget grindhouse films with some car exploitation elements thrown in there for good measure. The movie nails that brief and is a great movie in the context of that genre - but that doesn’t make it a ‘good’ movie out of that context.

I think the F&F movies are trying their hardest to be a super sylish and uber cool films so I judge them pretty harshly.

But I won’t pretend like I didn’t have fun watching them - I just think you can do a lot better, even if you’re looking for a fun oriented popcorn munchers.