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I just watched this today and enjoyed it a lot... Anybody else seen it???

BTW, am I missing something, or is the 'environmentalist' overtones almost exactly the opposite of what they're said to be... I mean what I got from the movie was that the environment will clean itself up, not that humans are destroying it... Almost an anti-environmentalist message.

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* possible spoilers *

I did see it. Great anime by Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli.

Now, first of all, what version did you watch it? There's the original version, and there's the american version called "Warriors of the Wind". The american version butchers about 20 minutes of the film, alters the plotline and changes the dialogue - it is so bad, compared to the original version, that Miyazaki said he wanted to burn every copy (like GL and the holyday special). Was there a scene in which Nausicaa dreams about her past while being engulfed by the Ohm's tentacles? If so, congratulations, you've watched the original version.

I think you've missed the point. Earth was destroyed by men, but even so, Earth managed to cope with that destruction and create a perfect "balance" of it's natural resources, animals, and the polution. At what cost? Mankind was confined to small villages, always afraid of the polution madness it has created. I think it's a great environmentalist film, it's just that it's upbeat and positive about the future.

If you want to see a good environmentalist anime, watch "Future Boy Conan" (a 1978 anime masterpiece also by Hayao Miyazaki).

By the way, the scene with the giant warrior - my favorite in that anime - was animated by Hideaki Anno, who, 11 years later, created and directed Neon Genesis Evangelion. So I guess I can see where part of his inspiration for Evangelion came from...
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I did see it. Great anime by Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli.

Now, first of all, what version did you watch it? There's the original version, and there's the american version called "Warriors of the Wind". The american version butchers about 20 minutes of the film, alters the plotline and changes the dialogue - it is so bad, compared to the original version, that Miyazaki said he wanted to burn every copy (like GL and the holyday special). Was there a scene in which Nausicaa dreams about her past while being engulfed by the Ohm's tentacles? If so, congratulations, you've watched the original version.


Yeah. I got the new Disney release. Still, I'd like to see Warriors to know what was cut and stuff.

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I think you've missed the point. Earth was destroyed by men, but even so, Earth managed to cope with that destruction and create a perfect "balance" of it's natural resources, animals, and the polution. At what cost? Mankind was confined to small villages, always afraid of the polution madness it has created. I think it's a great environmentalist film, it's just that it's upbeat and positive about the future.


Earth is devestated, but in a past long forgotten; everybody just assumes that it was done by humans. I don't think it were possible for humans to pollute the whole earth, especially by accident. And being up-beat and positive is what I was talking about; that is the exact opposite of the accursed modern environmental movement, which wants you to believe the world is ending and it's all America's fault.

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If you want to see a good environmentalist anime, watch "Future Boy Conan" (a 1978 anime masterpiece also by Hayao Miyazaki).


I might see it if it was animated by Miyazaki, but not because it is environmentalist.

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By the way, the scene with the giant warrior - my favorite in that anime - was animated by Hideaki Anno, who, 11 years later, created and directed Neon Genesis Evangelion. So I guess I can see where part of his inspiration for Evangelion came from...


I've not seen much of Evangelion, but I thought that the movements and such of the big red Warrior seemed sort of familiar.

There was something else I really wanted to type, but I forget it now, darn it!!

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I remember now!!

Does anyone else think that the Matrix Revolutions completely ripped off the ending of this film?

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I think you've missed the point. Earth was destroyed by men, but even so, Earth managed to cope with that destruction and create a perfect "balance" of it's natural resources, animals, and the polution. At what cost? Mankind was confined to small villages, always afraid of the polution madness it has created. I think it's a great environmentalist film, it's just that it's upbeat and positive about the future.


Earth is devestated, but in a past long forgotten; everybody just assumes that it was done by humans. I don't think it were possible for humans to pollute the whole earth, especially by accident. And being up-beat and positive is what I was talking about; that is the exact opposite of the accursed modern environmental movement, which wants you to believe the world is ending and it's all America's fault.


They don't assume, that was the case. Notice the early "narration" at the begining of the movie. If you must put America on the environment subject, there's not much to argue, is there? Consumes more than alf of the Earth's natural resources, contributes with more than half of the world's polution, and has broken pacts such as Kyoto's, making the world go back 25 years in environmental protection development. But what is THE message of this movie (not only this movie, but also from other environmental-subjected films and series, such as "Future Boy Conan")? Basically, that we should not continue making the sames mistakes. We shouldn't just pretend it's not there. In 20 years, drinkable water will be as rare as oil in most countries. In some places it is already. We should not put other interests such as "profit" in front of it... It is our future and our children's future in sake here, but, unfortunally, some people will just close their eyes and pretend it's not happening...

I could go on and on on the subject, and make some harsher coments about some countries and corporations, but I rather not to. It's pointless.


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I remember now!!

Does anyone else think that the Matrix Revolutions completely ripped off the ending of this film?


I don't quite remember the ending of that piece of crap, but you could be right... Lots of movies rip off ideas from anime. Disney blatantly steals from anime on every single movie it makes.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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They don't assume, that was the case. Notice the early "narration" at the begining of the movie. If you must put America on the environment subject, there's not much to argue, is there? Consumes more than alf of the Earth's natural resources, contributes with more than half of the world's polution, and has broken pacts such as Kyoto's, making the world go back 25 years in environmental protection development. But what is THE message of this movie (not only this movie, but also from other environmental-subjected films and series, such as "Future Boy Conan")? Basically, that we should not continue making the sames mistakes. We shouldn't just pretend it's not there. In 20 years, drinkable water will be as rare as oil in most countries. In some places it is already. We should not put other interests such as "profit" in front of it... It is our future and our children's future in sake here, but, unfortunally, some people will just close their eyes and pretend it's not happening...

Oh please don't tell me you've bought into this alarmist bull crap, Ric! Humans aren't going to destroy the world, and the problem is hardly being ignored. In Nuasicaa it is the people like Kushana, who want to attack the problem head on, who are in the wrong. Remember. The swamp is the only thing that is purifying the water. The environment is fixing itself with or without human intervention.


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I remember now!!

Does anyone else think that the Matrix Revolutions completely ripped off the ending of this film?


I don't uite remember the ending of that piece of crap, but you could be right... Lots of movies rip off ideas from anime. Disney blatantly steals from anime on every single movie it makes.


Piece of crap? What are you talking about? I was reffering to the third Matrix movie when Neo is supended on the Jack-in wires (Nausicaa on the Ohmu tentalces) and they star glowing... and the reason he is there is to protect his people from a swarm of insect like machines (the stampede of Omhu), and Neo gets absorbed by Smith (Nausicaa getting pulverized by the stampede) Then you cant really tell if Neo is dead or not, just like it's ambiguous to whether Nausicaa died or was just healed by the Omhu.

I allways took the ambiguity as: Yeah, Neo's dead; he couldn't want to live without Trinity, and Nausicaa didn't die, but was repaired by the Ohmu (since they clearly put their tentalces first in her wounds.)

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Well, I'm not going to argue with you about evironment issues. I don't have to and I don't want to, and I belive neither does you.

The piece of crap I was refering to WAS Matrix Revolutions. The first one is good. The second one was "meh", but with good action sequences. The third is terrible.
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Not really. The Neo-SuperSmith fight rocked out out.

But you're right, I really don't care to argue environmental politics. I just know what I see, and for America I've never found polution to be a problem. Maybe it is different in Brazil.

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But you're right, I really don't care to argue environmental politics. I just know what I see, and for America I've never found polution to be a problem. Maybe it is different in Brazil.


The only thing I'll say - and I won't say anything else about this subject - is that the news and information you guys get in the U.S. ... is quite different from the news and information on the rest of the world.

SO... let's talk about good anime films here, shall we? After all, the topic is "Nausicaa", an anime.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Have you seen any of Miazaki's other works? Do they all have such a heavy-handed message?

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I've seen his early works (Lupin Sansei, Future Boy Conan) and some of the recent stuff (Nausicaa, Grave of the Fireflies, My Neighbor Totoro, Spirited Away). His anime are truly pieces of art, and he always carry a meaningful message on all of them. He is a brilliant director, and knows how to cativate an audience and to hold their atention. Take "Nausicaa" as an example, it has a slightly complicated plot and it takes time for the viewer to get every information about the characters and the world they live in, and he does this brilliantly, in a +2 hour anime without boring the audience or confusing it.

So, if you liked Nausicaa, watch "Grave of the Fireflies". I'd like to discuss it with you
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He made Grave of the Fireflies too?

Somehow, I don't think that one will have a Disney release anytime soon.

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No, it won't, Disney avoids anything even slightly controversial or sad.

I think it's so ironic that Disney is distributing Studio Ghibli's animes in the USA... It's like their saying "We at Disney obviously lack the talent to create this animation masterpices, BUT we want to profit from them, so we will close up the ocidental market and only let them show their anime if we get to distribute it. Of course, only if we and our stock holders must agree with the message transmited by this anime..."
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Hey. Did you notice that Mark Hamill is the voice of the Tamerkorian (or whatever they're called) Major that tried to stop Nausicaa from stopping the stampede?

I had no idea he was even in the film, then I watched the "Behind the Microphone" thing and his face is the first thing that pops up and I'm like. "Whoa. It's Mark Hamil!"

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No, I didn't watch it dubbed in english, heavens forbid! I watched it with the original japanese soundtrack.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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You watched only the Japanese version?

I was suprprised at how good the English dub is for Nausicaa. Granted, most of my experience with dubbed Anime has been the atroicity Funimation's DragonBallZ became.

But how can you argue with PATRICK STEWART and MARK HAMILL in the same film!? Picard and Skywalker!!!

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Why would I want to watch an anime dubbed in english or portuguese, if I can easily watch it in japanese? That's how it was intended to be watched, with the japanese voice actors original soundtrack. Even if my own mother did the voices in an anime, I would still watch it japanese
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Weird.

Anyway. That doesn't change the fact that Hamill is in it, which the box doesn't even mention.

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Weird? OK name your reasons for watching it dubbed in english rather than with the original soundtrack.
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It all depends on what anime it is if I am going to watch it in English or not. Cowboy Bebop would be one of those that I would for example.
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Did you watch it i with the original soundtrack at least once? If you did, I don't understand why you'd prefer the english dub.

I mean, it's not only anime, it's everything: I absolutely refuse to watch "Star Wars" dubbed, I want to hear the original soundtrack. As I'm in a forum filled with people who want GL to release the ORIGINAL theatrical versions on DVD, I'm sure people here understand my reasons.
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Yes, I have listened to the original track. I just don't have a knack for differentiating japanese voices, so I really couldn't differentiate Spike and Jet.

Plus I like the guy they got to dub Spike.
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I know what you mean about distinguishing voices Sessler. Sometimes I can't tell (for an example) if it's Trunks or Vegeta speaking...

Then again, in the dub of Nausicaa there were several I couldn't tell apart myself. Minor Characters, that is.

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Weird? OK name your reasons for watching it dubbed in english rather than with the original soundtrack.


1) Patrick Stewart

2) The voices don't suck

3) They didn't change the music like stupid companies would have *cough4kidsandfunimationcough*

4) I can understand what people are saying.

I'm not against watching it in Japanese. Infact, I intend to over Spring Break next week. But I doubt my family would be too apreciative of that. They think me watching things in Japanese is weird period. I just meant it was weird that you only watch it in Japanese.
Actually, I have watch about the first half hour and bits and peices here and there in Japanese. I wanted to see if Disney changed anything.

Again, I just meant it was weird that you only watch it in Japanese.

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Weird? OK name your reasons for watching it dubbed in english rather than with the original soundtrack.


1) Patrick Stewart

2) The voices don't suck

3) They didn't change the music like stupid companies would have *cough4kidsandfunimationcough*

4) I can understand what people are saying.

I'm not against watching it in Japanese. Infact, I intend to over Spring Break next week. But I doubt my family would be too apreciative of that. They think me watching things in Japanese is weird period. I just meant it was weird that you only watch it in Japanese.
Actually, I have watch about the first half hour and bits and peices here and there in Japanese. I wanted to see if Disney changed anything.

Again, I just meant it was weird that you only watch it in Japanese.


1 & 3 - OK, but that's only for Nausicaa. Most of anime are dubbed by unknown, bad actors.

2- Jesus. If I was dead right now, I would spin on my grave! Don't say that to an anime fan, evern!

4- Uh there's this thing called subtitles...

I only watch it in japanese NOT because it's in japanese, but because I want to watch it the way it was made. For the same reasons I want the O-OT back, I want to watch my anime in japanese, with subtitles (one day I'll be able to watch without subtitles ). When I watch any film or series I watch it with subtitles (unless it's in portuguese or english), with the original sound.

In some rare, rare ocasions, the dubbing is actually very good (Neon Genesis Evangelion's brazillian version as an example), but still... I don't care if the actors in the dubbed version are better, I just want to see it the way it was originally broadcast - that's why I'm also figthing against the changed being made on the Evangelion episodes for the DVD releases...

BTW I have seen an episode of Dragon Ball Z dubbed in english, the way it was broadcast over there, and I felt like jumping out of the window... What was up with that uh... person doing Freeza's voice?!
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering