darth_ender said:
You’ve clearly assumed it, but whatever, I’m too busy to find examples right now, so let’s just assume you really are giving religious people, myself included, fair consideration as intelligent human beings.Which is what you should have been assuming this whole time. Funny thing is you’re the only one who seems to notice this intolerance you’re speaking of.
No, I’m not, but I’m also hitting home a point.
I don’t remember Dek or Warbler ever saying that they felt they were being treated as if they were intellectually inferior.
I don’t think anyone in particular feels you were calling them that. I don’t feel like you were insulting me personally. Just religion in general.
Look, I was indeed criticizing you harshly, deliberately being insulting for my amusement. I am trying to tone it down because I do want you to know I’m a rational human being and I don’t want to taint your view of my arguments anymore. I want you to consider them, even if you ultimately disagree. But I still am blunt when I feel it is appropriate. I don’t think you have been terribly insulting, but that is in part because I feel your arguments have been weak. I feel you do have a generalized view of religious persons that indicates a belief in their inferior reasoning. You’ve made statements that essentially state religion prevents critical thinking, use of empirical evidence, and leads to prejudice. Your phrasing wasn’t gentle, and if I’d felt you were some threat to my point of view, I might have been more insulted. I’m just saying you do come off as a bit arrogant in how you portray your POV.
Also that’s a very poor example you’re using as the line between saying “I hate Black Culture” vs saying “I hate Black people” is very minuscule while hating Religion and being okay with Religious people are completely separate.
Please enlighten me how it’s different. It affects your judgment of me. It affects your judgment of many religious folks. You may be “okay” with them, but you perceive them as unscientific, bigoted, and promoters of hate. Such is not always the case. You allow your judgment to be tainted by your hatred.
It’s different because black culture effects the way black people act in a much simpler way then being a Christian. There are Christians who don’t believe in hating gays and making women subservient to men and there are Christians who don’t agree on the prerequisites for going to Hell etc. so it’s as clear cut as you’re making it out to be because there are many many types of Christians who practice their Religious beliefs in different ways.
I fail to see the difference at all and don’t even fully understand your logic here. Black culture is a complex thing, much like religion. Religion really is a culture, or perhaps a sub-culture, but then again, so is black culture, WASP culture, etc., all falling under American culture. All these cultural norms affect our perception of the world, and all of us have prejudice, whether we care to admit it or not. Don’t oversimplify black culture. The analogy is perfect.
Boy, you sure know a lot about me for having interacted with me so little and really not understanding my posting history. Nice assumptions.
You have been more or less the same thing but okay buddy.
I’ve just quoted what you said and made points about it. I didn’t extrapolate any further than that.
I think using key words in my posts and making statements about them even though you know damn well what I’m talking about counts as extrapolating.
I actually was quoting exactly what you said.
Not even sure why you bring this up, honestly. I am calling your hatred of Christianity bigotry. Why did you even say this?
“Hate the sin, love the sinner”
That’s why I brought it up
Which has been called here justification for bigotry.
And like I said before there’s nothing wrong with being religious. I just don’t like the Religions themselves.
Meaning I don’t like The Bible, The Quran or any other types of holy texts. I may like certain teachings in them but that doesn’t do much in the long run.
A religion is more than just the Bible, and the Bible is more than just the verse you find offensive. There are good messages in there, and they are ancient texts, ancient guidelines for ancient people. And those teachings have shaped the world you live in. As I pointed out to Jeebus, religion guided the founding of this country and its very liberating ideologies. Religion has promoted equality among humans.
But here I want to reassure you that I didn’t call you a bigot for hating the Bible. I am calling you a bigot for literally stating, “I hate Christianity.”
Christians are a group (which happen to fall under that umbrella of Christianity, which you hate).
You know what the funny thing about this is? This all started because I said I hate the Bible. I didn’t say that I hated Christianity or even Religion in general. Just some food for thought. Furthermore I believe the only person to outright say “I hate Christianity” was Darth Lucas and he clarified that he meant that he hated the Bible and not those who read it. So basically you’re bitching about absolutely nothing.
And what is the center of Christianity? I’ll give you a hint; it’s the thing I said I hated that started all of this.
You said, “Some of us don’t hate you (as in Christians) just the Religion itself…” and now you’re saying, “I didn’t say that I hated Christianity or even Religion in general.” You are a contradictory man.
Actually the center of Christianity is Christ. And Christ preached a very good message, applicable to today. His standards are so high, no one can truly live by them. But we can aspire to do so.
There’s actually a study that shows that Atheists tend to know more about what’s in Religious texts (primarily the Bible) than actual believers. As someone who used to be a “militant Atheist” a few years back I learned many things about the Bible to fuel my hatred of it and to know what I was talking about when I debated people.
But that is interesting that you used to be a “militant Atheist.” Very revealing.
I hated religion far more than I do now but never did I ever say that I hated Christians. That’s even more telling
See, again you use the word religion, not the Bible. “I hated religion far more than I do now…” You hate religion. I don’t really care, but it does indicate to me a certain level of bigotry. Such hatred does affect your judgment of those who are religious in a prejudiced way. But as I said above, we are all bigoted to some extent.
Citation please? Just because I call it like I see it doesn’t mean I’m being overly sensitive. I have far harder discussions in real life with atheists. Why would I be too sensitive to handle featherweight arguments on an Internet board with people I will never meet in real life?
Pick any of the posts you’ve made accusing people of being bigots because they don’t like your religion. Also you bring up a good question but I have no idea why you’re crying so much to people you will never interact with face to face.
Am I crying?
Probably
You’re a funny man, but such does nothing to help your argument.
I thought I was trying to have a (half–mine of course) intelligent discussion with you. And you continue to use much stronger language, indicating a much stronger emotional response and greater sensitivity to what I’ve said.
At least my response wasn’t predicated on putting words in your mouth and trying to tell you what you said isn’t really what you said. Aside from you shooting baseless accusations it takes a special kind of arrogance to tell someone what they really said and feel.
What words did I put in your mouth? I have quoted you. I am telling you what such statements mean.
If I said, “I hate black culture but I don’t hate black people,” you would be within your rights to still call me a racist. I could argue, but you didn’t put words in my mouth.
No, I think any firmly held belief can do that. Including atheism.
See: Lord Haseo 😉
WRONG ATHEIST
I know it deepy affects your worldview, but you are a bigot. DENIAL.
In your skewed worldview? Yes. In the worldview most people know to be true? No.
I’m sure you’re a nice guy in real life. But that doesn’t mean you are not or can not be a bigot. I’ll say it again, we all are. You have simply revealed your reasoning here.