imperialscum said:
He did THE good thing. He killed Emperor, which caused Empire’s collapse.
But that still doesn’t undo all of the horrid things he did. There should have been a lengthy redemption period and a period in which both Luke and Leia were still on the fence about Anakin and all the things he did. Leia did go through this in Bloodlines though.
Yoda’s and Obi-Wan’s plan was never to use Luke to defeat Vader and Emperor (because that was impossible). They simply used him as a tool to trigger Anakin’s return, who could kill Emperor (and did).
When the fuck did they say that shit?
the fact Death Star 2.0 exists
That’s the most stupid complaint about ROTJ ever. The fact that Death Star 2.0 exists is a good story telling as it follows a basic logic. When IJN sunk USN aircraft carriers during the initial stages of Pacific War, did USN stop building aircraft carrier? No… they built newer and bigger ones.
Which would have been fine if the Death Star didn’t have a Millennium Falcon sized hole and a unprotected reactor core. I could forgive the rehashing had they made up for it in other ways. The 2nd Death Star didn’t even feel as threatening as the first and it was way bigger. Also why did it take like 2 decades for the First Death Star to be built and like 5 for the second one to be built to the point in which it was operational.
the fact teddy bears somehow overcame the best legion of Storm Troopers The Empire had
There are numerous real life examples when apparently much weaker enemy defeated stronger. And if you actually paid attention to the film, you would see that teddy bears were more of a distraction. Rebels (Chewie in particular) did most of the job. As for “best legion”, Emperor would obviously say “best” to demoralise Luke even if they were “cripple battalion”. There might be a legion-sized unit on the planet guarding different sectors of the huge shield generator complex (film clearly shows it was huge), but that particular back door was obviously guarded by a company-sized unit (which we see in the battle).
Can you point to an example in which primitive children (which have roughly the same amount of combative prowess as Ewoks) defeated a much technologically sophisticated enemy? I don’t think you can. Also had the Ewoks been more formidable physically I could let the obvious technological edge the Empire had slide a little.
the fact that somehow losing the Second Death Star
It is as unrealistic as losing the first one in ANH or as unrealistic as rebels escaping the Hoth blockade in ESB.
I’m not saying that. The part you just quoted and the rest of the sentence is one statement. Not two.
Vader, Palpatine in a few Star Destroyers means the war is over etc.
Juts because you came to such a dumb conclusion, it doesn’t mean it is actually the case.
Oh really?
The death of the Emperor caused a gradual collapse of the Empire. If Emperor survived, the outcome of this battle would be insignificant. This point connects to Luke being used to trigger Anikan’s return who killed Emperor and saved the galaxy.
And this rationale only came about the with the EU and NuEU. As it pertains to the films and the films alone The Empire fell at the Battle of Endor.