I don’t care all that much if they remove the Fox logo and fanfare. I would prefer it be kept in an OUT release, as it was on all the original films, but if it’s not it will be easy enough to add it back in, and it doesn’t break the film anyway.
Besides, I believe the Fox fanfare is still included on the recent re-releases of the SE CD soundtracks, yes? I know it’s still on Spotify and iTunes and such at least.
I certainly wouldn’t complain if they didn’t include the Fanfare. I can get past it if everything else is pre-1997.
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Ditto. Though it would be odd at first. Odd, but not necessarily bad. As has been said, though, there is no choice in the matter. If released digitally or after 2020 on hard media, Empire and Jedi won’t have Fox trademarks. If released on disc before 2020, they most certainly will, assuming the legal stuff doesn’t change. It’s hard to see it ever being removed from Star Wars. Fox letting that asset go seems an impossibility.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
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There’s no way they would remove the logo and fanfare from an OUT release. They would present the movie as close as possible to how it was (at least to the layman if not nitpickers like us), and the iconic fanfare’s absence would be quite a glaring omission.
It’s the SE I was referring to in my post.
I don’t think the 2020 thing makes a difference in terms of the Fox logo showing up on the original versions of Empire, Jedi and the prequels. Disney will own those movies outright after 2020, yes, but I don’t think that legally prevents them from the fox logo showing up in a restored OOT. Think of all the catalog titles now owned by different studios than the ones who originally produced/released them. I’m thinking of all the MGM movies now owned by Warner Bros because of Ted Turner, the Hitchcock titles originally produced by Paramount but now distributed by Universal, or the DreamWorks movies now owned by Viacom because of the folding that happened roughly a decade ago.
The rights issue with Star Wars is a two-way street anyway as we’ve discussed, since Fox owns all versions of the '77 film in perpetuity.
Well for now, the only evidence we have to go on is that Disney chose to remove the logos from the digital SE releases.
Edit: with the exception of Star Wars, of course
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
I really want the fox logo and fanfare. I’ve added it to my custom force awakens edit and is iconic. And if we want the true theatrical versions then the fanfare should be the same.
I really want the fox logo and fanfare. I’ve added it to my custom force awakens edit and is iconic. And if we want the true theatrical versions then the fanfare should be the same.
Out of curiosity, which logo and version of the fanfare did you use in the edit?
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
There’s no way they would remove the logo and fanfare from an OUT release. They would present the movie as close as possible to how it was (at least to the layman if not nitpickers like us), and the iconic fanfare’s absence would be quite a glaring omission.
Would they even have the rights to do so?
There’s no way they would remove the logo and fanfare from an OUT release. They would present the movie as close as possible to how it was (at least to the layman if not nitpickers like us), and the iconic fanfare’s absence would be quite a glaring omission.
Would they even have the rights to do so?
Another thing to note is that, for the aforementioned examples of MGM/WB, Paramount/Universal, etc., the studio logo in the original opening credits still represents the studio that originally funded and PRODUCED the picture. So the logo serves primarily as a credit, not an ad for the studio. WB/Universal in these cases is the new DISTRIBUTOR and rights holder, and they’ll usually add their logo somewhere before the original film starts or before the disc menu.
In the case of 20th C. Fox, as it relates to Empire, Jedi, and the prequels, they only were the DISTRIBUTOR, not the PRODUCING studio. Any release post-2020 will have no 20th C. involvement for those films at all, either in the original production or current distribution. Having the logo on them would be quite odd indeed.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
There’s no way they would remove the logo and fanfare from an OUT release. They would present the movie as close as possible to how it was (at least to the layman if not nitpickers like us), and the iconic fanfare’s absence would be quite a glaring omission.
Would they even have the rights to do so?
I don’t see why Fox would stop them from doing so. It only benefits them if anything. Besides, they’ll likely have to make some kind of deal before an OUT release is possible anyway, and they definitely will for the original SW, and I can see part of that being that the logo and fanfare stays. It’s such a minor point anyway, I don’t see why anyone would contest it or make a big deal of it on either side. Plus, I believe someone just said that other titles distributed by different companies than they were originally have kept the original logos/fanfare. I know I still see that MGM lion from time to time on older movies. The Wizard of Oz, for instance, despite now being distributed by Warner Bros. So when you’re talking about particularly iconic movies like that and the original Star Wars trilogy, movies for which every frame and every sound from the beginning to the end of the runtime have been scrutinized endlessly and have some meaning to somebody out there, some memory associated with them, then I can see them making a point of leaving it in. Especially considering the iconic theme music was literally designed to follow it. They won’t truly be able to call it the “theatrical” version if they don’t, technically. Not as big a deal for the Special Editions since those have been revised endlessly anyway, but if you’re going to try to appease the purists, might as well go all the way.
And I hope they offer both crawls, too, for SW/ANH, which should not be difficult with Blu-ray branching capabilities. Really no excuse not to do it when fan projects here do it.
There’s no way they would remove the logo and fanfare from an OUT release. They would present the movie as close as possible to how it was (at least to the layman if not nitpickers like us), and the iconic fanfare’s absence would be quite a glaring omission.
Would they even have the rights to do so?
Another thing to note is that, for the aforementioned examples of MGM/WB, Paramount/Universal, etc., the studio logo in the original opening credits still represents the studio that originally funded and PRODUCED the picture. So the logo serves primarily as a credit, not an ad for the studio. WB/Universal in these cases is the new DISTRIBUTOR and rights holder, and they’ll usually add their logo somewhere before the original film starts or before the disc menu.
In the case of 20th C. Fox, as it relates to Empire, Jedi, and the prequels, they only were the DISTRIBUTOR, not the PRODUCING studio. Any release post-2020 will have no 20th C. involvement for those films at all, either in the original production or current distribution. Having the logo on them would be quite odd indeed.
Giving credit to the original distributor, the studio that made the existence of the films possible in the first place, isn’t all that odd. Hell, I noticed that the 2011 Blu-ray of ESB still credits Clive Revill and Jason Wingreen, and they’re not in it at all anymore.
Universal actually owns a lot of old Paramount films, some of which they’ve released on video with the original studio logos intact. Island of Lost Souls springs to mind. The Hitchcock films were mentioned above. Oddly the old VHS of Psycho removed the original Paramount logo and replaced it with a B&W variant of the '70s/'80s Universal logo. Fortunately this has long since been reverted. So there’s certainly ways. However the Fox logos were removed from the digital releases of SW 1-3, 5 and 6 so who knows. I certainly hope they can keep the logo however I will agree if they do they’ll probably wanna do it before the rights are turned over in 2020 but that’s just me.
I really want the fox logo and fanfare. I’ve added it to my custom force awakens edit and is iconic. And if we want the true theatrical versions then the fanfare should be the same.
This guy gets it. : )
I really want the fox logo and fanfare. I’ve added it to my custom force awakens edit and is iconic. And if we want the true theatrical versions then the fanfare should be the same.
Out of curiosity, which logo and version of the fanfare did you use in the edit?
I took the fox logo and fanfare from ESB Despecialied 2.0 (the retro/vintage one) I do this with Hal’s prequels, ANH Revisted, and my own ROTJ edit also. It gives a sense of consistency across my marathons and the old fanfare is my favorite! 😉
The curious thing about this rumored box set is that VII will be included. If a “simple” new box set of the OT was annonced I would really think “the unaltered versions, finally!”, but with VII included I highly doubt that (I bet next year we’ll get a new box set with ROTS-RO-ANH…). The fact JJ showed the OOT to his kids is not quite relevant (the guy is not Lucasfilm). I’m afraid the only one who can decide it is Lucas himself. Disney/Lucasfilm is trying to rehabiliate the guy (through Rebels and Rogue One for instance), they wouldn’t release the OOT behind his back (pretty sure the contract signed in 2012 was clear about that). Besides Lucas didn’t really like TFA, so I wouldn’t hope the OOT release to be accompanied by this last entry.
…Lucas has literally no say at all, let alone being the only one who can decide. Not sure how many times it has to be said: Lucas is gone. He’s out. He has nothing to do with Star Wars any more in any capacity whatsoever. For all intents and purposes, he might as well be dead already. He has no decision-making power of any kind over the franchise. If anybody is holding an OUT release back, it is likely Fox.
Besides, Lucas released the OUT. He gave in. It was crappy, yes, but it proved that what was holding him back was likely not some kind of “artistic” principle that the SEs remain the only available version, but rather that he was too lazy and cheap to restore the OT. Now he no longer has any reason to care. He won’t be doing the work or footing the bill. He got 4 BILLION dollars to get out of the way. There are no stipulations with that kind of money. Lucas is out, and I think he’s relieved to be out too.
And again, doesn’t make sense that they would include the SEs that reference the prequels if they aren’t including the prequels. And it IS relevant that JJ prefers the OUT, and Disney themselves have clearly emphasized the OT era. They are the ones who created TFA, which was clearly designed to emulate the spirit of the OUT. So yes, it does make some sense that it would be paired with them if Disney are the ones making the release.
I don’t think Disney cares what Lucas thinks about TFA. And I think George is mostly busy planning his museum these days? He also has four billion reasons to not care what Disney does with Star Wars now.
Where were you in '77?
Rumors, speculations such as these are all we have. Nobody really knows. Lucas sold Lucasfilm, does it mean he also sold his rights of the movies ? Does anyone here (Density ?) has a reliable source about that ? You think Disney-Lucasfilm could make alterations to the PT/OT without his blessing ? Disney does not give a shit about Lucas but they have reused TCW story elements in Rebels (and they were praised for doing so), while using a TCW character in Rogue One… It’s not that simple. Again, a source is very much welcome. A IV-VII box set does not make sense if they use it to release the OOT. If the OOT was to be released, VII/Rogue One wouldn’t be in the set, except in a “full saga” set. We will see…
edit: I wonder if there could be a misunderstanding with the rumor: TFA is scheduled in its 3D version for christmas 2016 since its “single” release a few mothns ago. So it could be that we’ll get for christmas a OOT box set AND TFA-3D, and maybe a few box sets of both. Would be better (I have zero interest for TFA-3D).
Rumors, speculations such as these are all we have. Nobody really knows. Lucas sold Lucasfilm, does it mean he also sold his rights of the movies ? Does anyone here (Density ?) has a reliable source about that ? You think Disney-Lucasfilm could make alterations to the PT/OT without his blessing ? Disney does not give a shit about Lucas but they have reused TCW story elements in Rebels (and they were praised for doing so), while using a TCW character in Rogue One… It’s not that simple. Again, a source is very much welcome. A IV-VII box set does not make sense if they use it to release the OOT. If the OOT was to be released, VII/Rogue One wouldn’t be in the set, except in a “full saga” set. We will see…
edit: I wonder if there could be a misunderstanding with the rumor: TFA is scheduled in its 3D version for christmas 2016 since its “single” release a few mothns ago. So it could be that we’ll get for christmas a OOT box set AND TFA-3D, and maybe a few box sets of both. Would be better (I have zero interest for TFA-3D).
Weird box sets are still possible. Remember the Episode I & II saga packs?
The most compelling point I’ve heard recently is this whole business of the GOUT having been a response to the proliferation of fan-made laserdisc transfers a decade ago, and that the attention that Despecialized and the SSE have been getting lately has now created a similar scenario. It’s far from concrete, but the logic seems sound and it doesn’t hinge on the assumption that Disney is any more altruistic than Lucas was.
You say “altruistic” as if they would be giving it away for free.
It’s common knowledge around here that Lucas’s ideas for TFA were rejected all around, to the point that he went on 60 Minutes and bitched about it after the release of the film. He called Disney “white slavers,” do you really think they give a shit about his wishes after that? If they weren’t going to respect his ideas for the sequels, they sure don’t care about his “artistic vision” for the SEs. Especially not when Lucas himself already compromised that with the GOUT. That’s not rumor or speculation, that’s a fact.
Cartoons made by people lower on the food chain and mostly watched by kids don’t tell us anything. We’re talking about a cartoon that resurrected Darth Maul FFS. And TCW was not made by Lucas directly anyway (he probably had about as much to do with most of it as he did with TFA), plus it was generally better received than the prequels themselves. The fact that Disney has referenced it tells us nothing at all about the possibility of an OUT release.
You say “altruistic” as if they would be giving it away for free.
Poor word choice, but I should think my meaning was clear. I like it because it’s an explanation that doesn’t require you to believe that Disney would be motivated primarily by the desire to do right by the fans. There’s simply a thing we’re passing around among ourselves for free that they have an opportunity to monetize. It’s much easier to believe that that will be what makes it happen than any sort of feel-good anecdote about J.J. Abrams/Simon Pegg/Rian Johnson/Gary Whitta preferring the OUT.
Cartoons made by people lower on the food chain and mostly watched by kids don’t tell us anything. We’re talking about a cartoon that resurrected Darth Maul FFS. And TCW was not made by Lucas directly anyway (he probably had about as much to do with most of it as he did with TFA), plus it was generally better received than the prequels themselves. The fact that Disney has referenced it tells us nothing at all about the possibility of an OUT release.
Actually he was involved with every bit.