Religion — Page 64

Jeebus said:

I think it’s funny when two people go at each other calling each other mad.

“Why are you so mad, dude, calm down.”

“I’m not mad, you’re obviously mad and projecting your madness onto me, just calm down dude.”

“Woah dude, calm down, no need to get so mad.”

If you have enough arguments on the Internet, you start to notice some patterns. . . .

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TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

If you have enough arguments on the Internet, you start to notice some patterns. . . .

yhwx said:

If you have enough arguments on the Internet, you start to notice some patterns. . . .

Lol.

It was quite the coincidence.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Other than not wanting to be discriminated against or looked down upon (or told they’re a sinner), I don’t see why.

I have a few people in mind that I once knew personally. If they were scared of being called a sinner, then gay acts are the least of their actions that need to changed.

Not sure I follow. I’m not asking you to elaborate on the details, but perhaps you can explain it to me better.

The specific situations I’m thinking of involve people who’s sexual endeavors were very much apart of their fast and dangerous lifestyle. The sex was the least dangerous, and relatively less frowned-upon action they engaged in. Their choices regarding it weren’t motivated out of fear of being called a sinner.

And what on earth do you mean by “maybe they want to settle down.” How does that have anything to do with your orientation?

I think you’re relatively ignorant of the role subversiveness plays in homosexuality for a lot of people.

It’s certainly possible, I’m not exactly sure what you’re saying. Perhaps you can elaborate.

It is the case for a lot of people who may end up “gay” (however you want to define that) and for whatever reason engage in their activities out of rebellion, for fun, to be crazy, or maybe their whole world is just upside down. Some people get over that and thus “choose” to be straight. It happens and I’ve seen it happen, more than once.

Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It is the case for a lot of people who may end up “gay” (however you want to define that) and for whatever reason engage in their activities out of rebellion, for fun, to be crazy, or maybe their whole world is just upside down. Some people get over that and thus “choose” to be straight. It happens and I’ve seen it happen, more than once.

I think that’s called being bisexual.

Well, whatever, I don’t really like the idea of a “sexual identity” anyway so I think of sex in terms of action. Either way, these people I’m talking about very much believed that they were into the same sex, and they clearly were. Did they lie? They’ve lived the “gay experience” just as much as, sometimes more so than the LGBT-whatever activists.

Only certain “activists”, but why wouldn’t I bitch about them? I complain about the ones who don’t care about the wellbeing of those they claim to protect. Either way, that’s irrelevant. You asked me to elaborate and I did. You didn’t respond to it.

TV’s Frink said:

I understand what you’re getting at now so no need to respond, other than to say I think of “sex” as more than just action.

Maybe to you, but to a lot of people it usually isn’t much more than action.

My point about activists is you bring them up in just about every discussion, generally unprovoked.

Yeah, probably. In this conversation it is a legitimate complaint because the typical prominent “activists” (if you can call them that) would not consider the voices I’m talking about to be valid. They’re also generally opposed to things that would actually help gay people.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I understand what you’re getting at now so no need to respond, other than to say I think of “sex” as more than just action.

Maybe to you, but to a lot of people it usually isn’t much more than action.

Maybe people only think about the action, but there’s a lot of context behind the action.

yhwx said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I understand what you’re getting at now so no need to respond, other than to say I think of “sex” as more than just action.

Maybe to you, but to a lot of people it usually isn’t much more than action.

Maybe people only think about the action, but there’s a lot of context behind the action.

Yeah, but not always context that gives it any meaning.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

The point is that calling it a sin can (in certain deranged people’s minds) justify hate and violence, and that makes it hate by extension at the least.

So because someone misinterprets what I believe to justify their hate and violence, means that I hate as well?

I’m not understanding this logic.

By that logic, hating the idea of calling homosexuality a sin is going to motivate people to murder anti-gay people.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

The point is that calling it a sin can (in certain deranged people’s minds) justify hate and violence, and that makes it hate by extension at the least.

So because someone misinterprets what I believe to justify their hate and violence, means that I hate as well?

I’m not understanding this logic.

It means that some people that share your faith might believe that.

He clearly wasn’t talking about you.

TV’s Frink said:

One happens, the other doesn’t, so the two are not analogous.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/floyd-lee-corkins-sentence_n_3902950.html

Or do you really think there aren’t plenty of examples of people using religion as an excuse for violence against gay people?

Of course there are.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

One happens, the other doesn’t, so the two are not analogous.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/floyd-lee-corkins-sentence_n_3902950.html

Anything beyond just that one example?

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Bingowings said:

There was nothing justified about the Crusades. It was just that the Roman church wanted the money that came from the pilgrim business.

That’s an overly simplistic view of history.

It’s accurate.

No, it’s incredibly un-nuanced.

It’s the equivalent of saying that the United States bombed Japan purely to be mean.

TV’s Frink said:

As for the other point, granted, but I’m reasonably sure violence against gay people is much more common than violence against anti-gay people, and further that religion often plays a part in it.

Probably, but it’s not an argument against the religion itself being true or not.