Some of us don’t hate you (as in Christians) just the Religion itself so that is in no way bigotry. You need to relax.
Exactly.
Do you hate Islam too?
I’m just curious.
The Person in Question
Some of us don’t hate you (as in Christians) just the Religion itself so that is in no way bigotry. You need to relax.
Exactly.
Do you hate Islam too?
I’m just curious.
I did not consider that. I rescind my opinion.
Some of us don’t hate you (as in Christians) just the Religion itself so that is in no way bigotry. You need to relax.
Exactly.
Do you hate Islam too?
I’m just curious.
I did not consider that. I rescind my opinion.
You don’t have to rescind your opinion. I was just asking if you hated Christianity specifically or also Islam.
The Person in Question
Some of us don’t hate you (as in Christians) just the Religion itself so that is in no way bigotry. You need to relax.
Exactly.
Do you hate Islam too?
I’m just curious.
I did not consider that. I rescind my opinion.
You don’t have to rescind your opinion. I was just asking if you hated Christianity specifically or also Islam.
I do have to rescind my opinion, since having that opinion would be bigoted and hateful.
Hell I’ll say it. I hate Islam. I hate Christianity. I hate Judaism. I hate religion.
That being said, some of my best friends are Muslim, Christian, and Jewish. I do not judge a person based on their religion, rather on their actions, but especially where those actions are (good or bad) fueled by religion.
Hell I’ll say it. I hate Islam. I hate Christianity. I hate Judaism. I hate religion.
That being said, some of my best friends are Muslim, Christian, and Jewish. I do not judge a person based on their religion, rather on their actions, but especially where those actions are (good or bad) fueled by religion.
I guess hating religion in general is OK. I may be under that category.
Oooooh…I get it. It’s the atheist version of that “Hate the sin, love the sinner” thing. Caughtcha! How progressive!
Oooooh…I get it. It’s the atheist version of that “Hate the sin, love the sinner” thing. Caughtcha! How progressive!
The difference is that “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is usually referring to homosexuality. In that case, the ‘sin’ is a part of who they are, and something they can’t change. Religion is a belief, that can indeed be changed.
“Your sexuality is inherently sinful and wrong, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
vs
“I hate Christianity, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
And now I’m just rambling but technically all agnostics are atheists. As an atheist is simply a person who doesn’t believe in any deities. Well if you are even the most middle of the ground agnostic, as in you don’t really know for sure one way or another, you are still not actively believing in a god, so in a way, all agnostics are atheists, and all atheists are agnostic, because to NOT be agnostic in the sense that Einstein thought of the word, would mean you know everything, which is impossible. So really everyone is agnostic. Even if you believe in God with all your heart, you can’t possibly say you KNOW for sure.
Maybe the notion of being agnostic is really the way people of every faith and non faith come together.
theist: someone who believes in God
agnostic: someone who neither believes in God or the existence of God
Atheist: someone who believes God doesn’t exist
That is how I understand the three to be.
Sorry to respond to a month old post. This is the way I see it, and probably what Darth Lucas was getting at.
Agnostic is simply a prefix that means you aren’t sure. There can be agnostic theists (I can’t be sure but I believe in god), and agnostic atheists (I can’t be sure but I don’t believe in god). On the other hand there’s gnostic theists and atheists, who claim that they can, or do know for a fact.
Oooooh…I get it. It’s the atheist version of that “Hate the sin, love the sinner” thing. Caughtcha! How progressive!
The difference is that “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is usually referring to homosexuality. In that case, the ‘sin’ is a part of who they are, and something they can’t change. Religion is a belief, that can indeed be changed.
“Your sexuality is inherently sinful and wrong, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
vs
“I hate Christianity, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
People’s religion is often as important to them (if not more so) than their sexuality.
The Person in Question
Oooooh…I get it. It’s the atheist version of that “Hate the sin, love the sinner” thing. Caughtcha! How progressive!
The difference is that “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is usually referring to homosexuality. In that case, the ‘sin’ is a part of who they are, and something they can’t change. Religion is a belief, that can indeed be changed.
“Your sexuality is inherently sinful and wrong, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
vs
“I hate Christianity, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
So it’s only valid in cases where someone has a choice? By that logic, I can’t “hate the sin” of an individual attracted to the same sex, but I can “hate the sin” of someone having homosexual sex, right? Bear in mind that you probably don’t know my views on homosexuality (and others who’ve known me longer and think they do likely not either) so don’t bring me personally into this. It’s merely a question. Homosexual sex is in fact a choice.
So it’s only valid in cases where someone has a choice?
I’m not sure I would say it that way, but I’m not really sure how I would say it.
By that logic, I can’t “hate the sin” of an individual attracted to the same sex, but I can “hate the sin” of someone having homosexual sex, right? Bear in mind that you probably don’t know my views on homosexuality (and others who’ve known me longer and think they do likely not either) so don’t bring me personally into this. It’s merely a question. Homosexual sex is in fact a choice.
Sexual relief is a requirement for humans, and if you’re gay then the only way to get that is through gay sex. It may technically be a choice, but it’s a choice in the sense that your only other option is to be unhappy/sexually frustrated.
Oooooh…I get it. It’s the atheist version of that “Hate the sin, love the sinner” thing. Caughtcha! How progressive!
The difference is that “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is usually referring to homosexuality. In that case, the ‘sin’ is a part of who they are, and something they can’t change. Religion is a belief, that can indeed be changed.
“Your sexuality is inherently sinful and wrong, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
vs
“I hate Christianity, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
People’s religion is often as important to them (if not more so) than their sexuality.
Just because it’s important to them doesn’t mean it’s still not a choice. Especially for those who are adults.
Oooooh…I get it. It’s the atheist version of that “Hate the sin, love the sinner” thing. Caughtcha! How progressive!
Quoted for irony.
^you catch on pretty quick.
So it’s only valid in cases where someone has a choice?
I’m not sure I would say it that way, but I’m not really sure how I would say it.
By that logic, I can’t “hate the sin” of an individual attracted to the same sex, but I can “hate the sin” of someone having homosexual sex, right? Bear in mind that you probably don’t know my views on homosexuality (and others who’ve known me longer and think they do likely not either) so don’t bring me personally into this. It’s merely a question. Homosexual sex is in fact a choice.
Sexual relief is a requirement for humans, and if you’re gay then the only way to get that is through gay sex. It may technically be a choice, but it’s a choice in the sense that your only other option is to be unhappy/sexually frustrated.
Many people live happy celibate lives and religion fulfills many human needs (not mere desires) for many people.
Oooooh…I get it. It’s the atheist version of that “Hate the sin, love the sinner” thing. Caughtcha! How progressive!
The difference is that “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is usually referring to homosexuality. In that case, the ‘sin’ is a part of who they are, and something they can’t change. Religion is a belief, that can indeed be changed.
“Your sexuality is inherently sinful and wrong, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
vs
“I hate Christianity, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
People’s religion is often as important to them (if not more so) than their sexuality.
Just because it’s important to them doesn’t mean it’s still not a choice. Especially for those who are adults.
I am an American by birth. I could choose not o identify with the culture, but I’ve come to identify pretty strongly with it. It’s still a strong part of my identity. It fulfills my human needs. Same with my faith. Just because they are not physical characteristics does not mean they are not deeply ingrained, and just because they are not built into my body doesn’t mean one’s prejudice against my religion or nationality isn’t bigotry.
Oooooh…I get it. It’s the atheist version of that “Hate the sin, love the sinner” thing. Caughtcha! How progressive!
The difference is that “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is usually referring to homosexuality. In that case, the ‘sin’ is a part of who they are, and something they can’t change. Religion is a belief, that can indeed be changed.
“Your sexuality is inherently sinful and wrong, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
vs
“I hate Christianity, but it doesn’t change my opinion of you as a person.”
People’s religion is often as important to them (if not more so) than their sexuality.
Just because it’s important to them doesn’t mean it’s still not a choice. Especially for those who are adults.
I am an American by birth. I could choose not o identify with the culture, but I’ve come to identify pretty strongly with it. It’s still a strong part of my identity. It fulfills my human needs. Same with my faith. Just because they are not physical characteristics does not mean they are not deeply ingrained, and just because they are not built into my body doesn’t mean one’s prejudice against my religion or nationality isn’t bigotry.
Some of us don’t hate you (as in Christians) just the Religion itself so that is in no way bigotry. You need to relax.
Unless you are literally a Bible it is not bigotry. I don’t hate you and I don’t hate Christians in general; I just hate the book. Unless you catch me saying that I hate all Christians, that I would never be friends with a Christian or that Christians shouldn’t vote or something along those lines don’t say me hating your religion is bigoted. There are actual people who getting oppressed out here and you acting like this way belittles the genuine struggles people face.
So it’s “love the sinner, hate the sin,” which has been identified as hypocritical and bigoted on this forum.
Maybe when it comes to things that you can’t choose. Pedophilia excluded.
EDIT:
Also just because some people are psychologically abused by threats of eternal hell fire and/or abandonment when they were kids or only believes in a particular religion because their life would be dismal without it doesn’t mean it’s something they’re born with it. That and sexual orientation are completely different.
So it’s “love the sinner, hate the sin,” which has been identified as hypocritical and bigoted on this forum.
Considering the source is a group that has a tradition going back centuries of punishing the sinners with torture and death when the founding principle is being without sin before casting a stone and removing the plank from your own eye, it’s sort of odd to be used as retort against people who like some of the individuals who might say it but dislike aspects of the organisation that prompts them to.
Honestly just ditch the torture porn in your holy books denounce the torture, past, present and future and get on with being happy on Sunday or whatever day is special to you.
Maybe when it comes to things that you can’t choose. Pedophilia excluded.
EDIT:
Also just because some people are psychologically abused by threats of eternal hell fire and/or abandonment when they were kids or only believes in a particular religion because their life would be dismal without it doesn’t mean it’s something they’re born with it. That and sexual orientation are completely different.
That shows very little understanding of what most people get out of their religion. Such is again the definition of prejudice. Well done, sir.
Did I say every religious person was like that? I don’t think I did. I gave 2 examples of the type of people who are supposedly “born” into Religion. And even then those people still have a choice to leave their them. The children can develop critical thinking skills and go on to discover that nothing in the Bible (with the exception of animals and certain places of course) is abundant in the plane of existence we happen to live on. The other group of people can get the same comforting things they get from the Bible in a multitude of other mediums.
So it’s “love the sinner, hate the sin,” which has been identified as hypocritical and bigoted on this forum.
Considering the source is a group that has a tradition going back centuries of punishing the sinners with torture and death when the founding principle is being without sin before casting a stone and removing the plank from your own eye, it’s sort of odd to be used as retort against people who like some of the individuals who might say it but dislike aspects of the organisation that prompts them to.
Honestly just ditch the torture porn in your holy books denounce the torture, past, present and future and get on with being happy on Sunday or whatever day is special to you.
The group you describe is the perfect opposite of Christianity. The scriptures warned that they would co-opt, and the Luciferian Mystery Babylonian priests did just so.
As for removing motes and such, we must be careful. Jesus was instructing his DISCIPLES (a special class of missionary clergy many pay-grades above lay Church members) in how they were to behave DURING his ministry on earth. He gave much more practical commands for conduct after the ministry as his last teaching before going off to be crucified. His final teachings before arrest were entirely about use of force and how it must never be employed to promote or protect the faith. Force is for the protection of one’s self, family, and community.
The “torture porn” was a very great stumbling block for me. The idea that those who miss salvation by a hair’s breadth would suffer as terribly as Stalin is shockingly offensive to any human sense of Justice. Nonetheless, Christ vowed many times that there would be a BINARY selection, that those who failed would be cast outside of this universe to suffer eternal agonies, and that this punishment would be PERFECTLY JUST. A possible and very satisfying resolution to this dilemma is the realization that our Creator can control the SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE of eternity. Those who just miss might experience the fire for a few seconds, Stalin for VERY much longer. All could know that, no matter how long their personal experience is, like Zeno’s paradox, it will never come to an end.
You’ve got the right attitude about Sabbath days. Eat, don’t eat, observe, don’t observe, but whatever you choose, do it for the glory of The Lord.
So it’s “love the sinner, hate the sin,” which has been identified as hypocritical and bigoted on this forum.
Considering the source is a group that has a tradition going back centuries of punishing the sinners with torture and death when the founding principle is being without sin before casting a stone and removing the plank from your own eye, it’s sort of odd to be used as retort against people who like some of the individuals who might say it but dislike aspects of the organisation that prompts them to.
Honestly just ditch the torture porn in your holy books denounce the torture, past, present and future and get on with being happy on Sunday or whatever day is special to you.
The group you describe is the perfect opposite of Christianity. The scriptures warned that they would co-opt, and the Luciferian Mystery Babylonian priests…
You lost me there.