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NeverarGreat said:

After gathering a bunch of references, it looks as if the earliest examples of the film have a greenish tint to them. I actually had to reduce the green of the bootleg to balance the colors somewhat:

And here’s the attempt with a single set of adjustments:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176880
And with slightly less yellow:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176882
Finally one that has less green in the shadows:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176886

I have no idea which one is more correct.

The answer really is none of them are “more correct” since no two prints we’re exactly alike. It’s a photochemical process, so the colors were slightly different from print to print, and then the color changed even more depending on how it was projected. We can certainly gain an idea of how the colors in general were, but nobody (not even mike verta with all of his material and reference) can know for sure what the colors were originally on the negative. All we can do is make some inferences based on what little reference we have to get in the ballpark, and use our own judgement of what looks right.

My first thought on hearing the mono mix was that severe noise reduction had been applied. I have to concur with pittrek’s observations that a great deal of background detail has been largely removed along with the hiss, and that the music often suffers from digital distortion artifacts as a result of the noise reduction, giving it a watery, warbling sort of sound.

The good news is that from listening to the mp3 of the raw, unprocessed track, it seems like it has potential for a better sound quality to be achieved. Whether it could turn out better than the Belbucus track is hard to say; I’d categorize them as roughly similar in terms of fidelity based on what I’m hearing right now. If the original, uncompressed audio captures are still available (preferably at 24-bit if possible) and can be sent to me, I’d be willing to take a shot at cleaning them up.

By the way, I’ve watched the SSE v1.6 all the way through, and I was very impressed with the results that have been achieved. I wasn’t too keen on Star Wars in general for a while, owing at least partially to the weird things that happened about scans and teams and so forth, but now I’m starting to get back into it again. Being able to watch the whole movie looking like 35mm film, without a trace of the SE in sight, is very rewarding. Thank you guys for making that possible.

hairy_hen said:
If the original, uncompressed audio captures are still available (preferably at 24-bit if possible) and can be sent to me, I’d be willing to take a shot at cleaning them up.

That would be really cool

Guys, about the red star destroyer, I think that the SD having a similar color as the planet surface is in fact correct and desirable. It’s getting illuminated BY the planet, so the color of Tatooine reflecting off the hull is not an error at all.

Therefore I think that using masking or rotoscoping to do different color filtering to the two is a mistake.

Honestly my personal preference is the slightly reddish shot. Tatooine is kinda reddish in my mind.

Sigmoid said:

Guys, about the red star destroyer, I think that the SD having a similar color as the planet surface is in fact correct and desirable. It’s getting illuminated BY the planet, so the color of Tatooine reflecting off the hull is not an error at all.

Well, but it’s not. No version looks like that and it’s not composited with that in mind (they’re separate elements, so that couldn’t have happened ‘naturally’).

The star destroyer is most likely red because it is from a faded Eastman print. It’s a nice idea, though. 😃

Anyway, I think some of the results so far have been close enough that rotoscoping really isn’t necessary. I agree that it wouldn’t exactly be “wrong” as it’s all from the original print (so long as no evidence of the rotoscoping is visible), but I think people have come up with some useable versions.

NeverarGreat said:

After gathering a bunch of references, it looks as if the earliest examples of the film have a greenish tint to them. I actually had to reduce the green of the bootleg to balance the colors somewhat:

Your collection is missing the LD sources of the 81 crawl/flyover. They do have a more blue cast so Darth Lucas correction above that seemed a little too blue is probably closer than it seemed. Many of these are too yellow. I think matching the colors for the crawl and making sure the star destroyer is grey enough and let the planet be imperfect. Trying to match this version to either the 1977 or the 1997 versions may lead to incorrect results. The only thing I have planned to use those version for is to align the blockade runner and star destroyer in my remaster. Hopefully I can get to that next month (maybe even next week).

Darth Lucas said:

After:

This one looks most like the LD versions. I know it seem a bit too blue, but this clip in the LD verions does as well.

What about the PCM mono TeamBlu used on their GOUT 720p-upscaled Blu-ray? Is it the same or better?

it sounds like a remaster of this ISO is in order once we have a better mono track and 81 crawl…

Thought I’d share how it’s going. It’s definitely getting there. Using the Mike Verta technique to minimize the color noise not only makes color correction easier, it has the added benefit of making the frame seem a lot cleaner as well.

Grading here not final. Needs probably another few passes, but overall, I think I’m headed in the right direction.

Since I know people are going to ask/comment, there is a very small amount of desaturation added to the star destroyer, but 80-90% of that desaturated look is from the process that got rid of those color blobs.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/177043

Even just those couple minutes away from it I can already tell looking at it with semi-fresh eyes that it needs a black level adjustment.

That’s look quite promising there DL. Keep up the good work!

Darth Lucas said:

Even just those couple minutes away from it I can already tell looking at it with semi-fresh eyes that it needs a black level adjustment.

Is that why there’s a weird black box around the Star Destroyer?

Wazzles said:

Darth Lucas said:

Even just those couple minutes away from it I can already tell looking at it with semi-fresh eyes that it needs a black level adjustment.

Is that why there’s a weird black box around the Star Destroyer?

Yes. I just didn’t match up the black levels to the mask.

I managed to download that Reel 5 technicolour preview when it was on the Spleen before it caused all the drama, I’ve noticed that its replaced reel 5 in this version, the picture looks far sharper and the noise is far smaller, I’m just wondering as the colours and image quality have changed quite dramatically in other parts of this release, what else is not the original Spanish LPP?

I was considering putting on the spleen the audio files copied from Harmy’s Star Wars:ANH, DE v2.7 that have been edited to fit the Star Wars SSE TN1 v1.6, but as I was working on it, I discovered some things.

I can testify that both the v1.6 and the DE v2.7 have the same number of frames in each shot of the movie, even in the head black leader proceeding the Fox logo, so, the GOUT audio will be in-sync with the v1.6. However, the DE v2.7 runs 30 seconds longer because there is another credit roll, made exclusively for this release, that appears after the film’s credit roll.

So, you guys can do this yourselves, easily. To get the GOUT audio to fit perfectly with the v1.6, one would have to shave-off 30 seconds from the tail end of the DE v2.7 video. Then load both the v1.6 (after you joined the two m2ts files together) and the edited DE v2.7 to a software like TSMuxer. In that software, select the v1.6 video (selecting that video’s audio tracks is optional); then, from your trimmed DE v2.7, select only the audio tracks that you want and not the video element (terms like “H.264”, “AVC”, “MPEG” would give you a clue); muxed them; and you are good to go.

I am sure that there are a few people that figured it out, but I thought I’d share it.

Right. What you’re describing is exactly the benefit of what we call GOUT sync. However, I would say you do not need to trim the video (in fact, please don’t. Harmy and I put it there for a reason). Even in our releases none of the audio covers that 30 seconds and the tracks all have varying lengths, especially the commentary I believe. Vlc will show wonky run times if you fast forward to the last 30 seconds, but otherwise it’s not a problem.

If you do decide you want to trim the credits. I believe I can safely speak for harmy (and certainly myself 😛) when I say please just keep it for yourself instead of complicating things by distributing the unnecessarily altered version. 😃

Can someone tell me where to find the silver screen 1.6 version? The links on Tehparadox are down. Thanks very much in advance.

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