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TV’s Frink said:

NOT WITHOUT LICENSING THE RIDICULOUS TRADEMARK I OWN

USE IT WITHOUT LICENSING AND I WILL SUE YOUR PANTS OFF

I HAVE THE LARGEST AND BEST COLLECTION OF PANTS

“I find your lack of pants disturbing.”

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DrDre said:

Poita and Williarob both have a beta version of the color restoration tool I’ve developed. Hopefully they’ll be able to put it to good use. Here’s an example of what the tool can do to aid the process of restoring the colors of the red faded TESB print scan, that poita will be using for his restoration:

I am drooling

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I’ve been asked about the mono audio track, a raw audio capture from a 16mm print, graciously provided by Jaxxon for scanning is available for anyone that wants to work on it. It is much better than the mono track on the current Silver Screen edition, but is a raw file and will need some work to clean it up.

If it is used in a project, please credit Jaxxon as the print provider for the source. The file size is approx 1GB.

PM me if you have a project and I can help you out with access.

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Happy to see your work progressing. I recall when you purchased the 4k scanner from Korea. I wish you best of luck with your health, and perhaps the Brexit may have a elevating effect to the overall economies of the Commonwealth.

Cheers

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Work in progress.

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Thanks for the update - this is looking great!

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Nice!

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Really looking forward to the restoration of the TESB, which IMO is the one with the worst transfer on blu-ray.

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fmalover said:

Really looking forward to the restoration of the TESB, which IMO is the one with the worst transfer on blu-ray.

In what way? The changes are garbage and the color is not ideal (not as bad as ANH, though). Hopefully the next transfer will be better with regards to sharpening and noise reduction. But how is ESB anywhere remotely near the bottom of the list with all the atrocious blu-ray jobs out there. Just curious.

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towne32 said:

fmalover said:

Really looking forward to the restoration of the TESB, which IMO is the one with the worst transfer on blu-ray.

In what way? The changes are garbage and the color is not ideal (not as bad as ANH, though). Hopefully the next transfer will be better with regards to sharpening and noise reduction. But how is ESB anywhere remotely near the bottom of the list with all the atrocious blu-ray jobs out there. Just curious.

I think he might have meant it was the worst of the Star Wars movies, not of all movies.

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Handman said:

towne32 said:

fmalover said:

Really looking forward to the restoration of the TESB, which IMO is the one with the worst transfer on blu-ray.

In what way? The changes are garbage and the color is not ideal (not as bad as ANH, though). Hopefully the next transfer will be better with regards to sharpening and noise reduction. But how is ESB anywhere remotely near the bottom of the list with all the atrocious blu-ray jobs out there. Just curious.

I think he might have meant it was the worst of the Star Wars movies, not of all movies.

Oh, yeah. Oops. I completely misread the sentence as ‘one of the worst transfers on blu-ray’.

Though I’m still curious. I thought people found it to be better than ANH, if even just because the negatives of the latter are in worse shape. RoTJ has a huge section of the movie that’s out of focus. Phantom Menace has one transfer that’s soft, very grainy, and sometimes overly cropped. And another that’s overly DNRed (and the other two films are digital only, obviously).

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towne32 said:

fmalover said:

Really looking forward to the restoration of the TESB, which IMO is the one with the worst transfer on blu-ray.

In what way? The changes are garbage and the color is not ideal (not as bad as ANH, though). Hopefully the next transfer will be better with regards to sharpening and noise reduction. But how is ESB anywhere remotely near the bottom of the list with all the atrocious blu-ray jobs out there. Just curious.

Exessive DNR, poor contrast and the transfer has this soft focus look which as shown by other transfers like the Grindhouse and other 35mm screengrabs, is not the case. It’s one of the reasons I can’t bring myself to watch Harmy’s 2.0 anymore because the 35mm despecialized scenes have far better image quality than the rest of the movie. I might change my mind about a new ESB Despecialized version if the blu-ray transfer goes through a restoration similar to what Neverar is doing with SW where he’s managed to make the movie look like it was sourced directly from a well preserved 35mm print.

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The image seems to have same kind of brownish noise that Verta showed in his videos. Is there something you can do about them?
How’s the thing going, is there any ETA for it? For example, for a Rogue One marathon or something… 😃 TESB only has the grindhouse version released so it sticks out pretty bad compared to SW and ROTJ scans.

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I did a little experiment, matching the colors of the last frame to Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0, and while the colors might not necessarily be accurate to an original 1981 print, it does get rid of that nasty blue noise, whilst retaining the 35mm detail:

Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0:

Poita work in progress:

Poita matched to Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0:

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DrDre said:

I did a little experiment, matching the colors of the last frame to Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0, and while the colors might not necessarily be accurate to an original 1981 print, it does get rid of that nasty blue noise, whilst retaining the 35mm detail:

Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0:

Poita work in progress:

Poita matched to Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0:

Notice how much detail the 35mm screengrab has compared to Harmy’s 2.0. See what I mean? It’s why I think TESB is the worst of the OT blu-ray transfers.

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fmalover said:

DrDre said:

I did a little experiment, matching the colors of the last frame to Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0, and while the colors might not necessarily be accurate to an original 1981 print, it does get rid of that nasty blue noise, whilst retaining the 35mm detail:

Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0:

Poita work in progress:

Poita matched to Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0:

Notice how much detail the 35mm screengrab has compared to Harmy’s 2.0. See what I mean? It’s why I think TESB is the worst of the OT blu-ray transfers.

TESB DE 2.0 is still largely GOUT-reliant, although I do not know the exact source(s) used for this shot.

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Hey Dr Dre !

Thank you for your comparison. Watching it, I was not sure that Despecialized colors were beter looking than Poita’s image (which is yet beautiful).

So I tried to adjust brightness, contrast and curves of your restult to obtain a kind of medium. I ended up with this : http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/181187.

And, with your very useful tool, I exported the model for the other shot and the result is : http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/181189.

By the way, these scans are wonderful ! Maybe some shots will be available for the next versions of Despecialized before the full release of the Trilogy “FTLFT” ? 😃

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UnitéD2 said:

Hey Dr Dre !

Thank you for your comparison. Watching it, I was not sure that Despecialized colors were beter looking than Poita’s image (which is yet beautiful).

So I tried to adjust brightness, contrast and curves of your restult to obtain a kind of medium. I ended up with this : http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/181187.

And, with your very useful tool, I exported the model for the other shot and the result is : http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/181189.

By the way, these scans are wonderful ! Maybe some shots will be available for the next versions of Despecialized before the full release of the Trilogy “FTLFT” ? 😃

It might just be my monitor, but on the bottom left corners of those images, it looks like you’re starting to risk crushing the blacks. Might want to dial back the contrast a touch.

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The blue is meant to be there, the sky is quite blue in those shots, which makes the smoke etc. also quite blue.
The original prints do have a lot of blue in the Hoth scenes, not as much as the BD release, but still quite a lot more than the home releases, which appear to have been ‘auto balanced’ when the telecine was done, removing a lot of colour from the snow scenes, probably working on the assumption that snow should always be white.

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Snow’s not well represented by only white, anyway. It seems white on the highlights, but as soon as you take it away from the light, it becomes very blue.