I probably would have preferred him to maybe choke someone over a tiny mistake or something like that, or maybe just growl at people like he did at the end of ESB (pre-SE).Something to visualize/illustrate his anger without smashing stuff around him.
I would rather him hack someone to bits with his lightsaber or break someone’s neck. Something more brutal to show that this isn’t generic Vader rage but something more
Maybe, it just seems savage even for Vader as far a I’m concerned.
Nothing is too savage for a Sith Lord…
Well, I can’t really argue with that, I just feel that Vader is more tactical than pointlessly brutal.
(Also, as a side-note, I don’t really see what’s so Sith about him, he behaves much more like a dark jedi, but that’s a completely different argument.)
Vader used to be tactical and patient, sure he killed a lot of his own men in the OT, but never out of rage.
I’m pretty sure his men failing him angered him and that anger is why he killed them.
I’d say it was more his sense of discipline and control. Also killing people like Ozzel was simply tactical. I just don’t see anger in it, but then again I’m seeing this from a pre-PT perspective.
Finding out about Luke should be not so much an explosion of feelings, but rather a tiny crack in his emotional barrier which gradually grows over the course of the next-few-years/movies.
If anything finding out Ahsoka was alive would do this minus the gradual growing. Family bonds are different.
I guess. But did he really care for Luke prior to ROTJ? Maybe he did, I just never got that impression. He seemed more interested in killing the Emperor with his help at first. I just don’t really see Vader caring for anyone that much at this stage.
Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It is the only way.
Son, come with me.
Seems pretty personal to me
Again, I’d call it tactical. He’s trying to seduce him to the dark side. Calling him “son” and promising him the death of the emperor, as well as offering him power is all very tactical. I’d hardly call it a heartfelt father-son moment. He’s basically just trying to remedy the situation. (If anything I’d say it’s more akin to the “Dun Möch” thing you brought up further down.)
Even in ROTJ his immediate reaction to learning about Leia, without hesitation, was again, turning her to the dark side.
I always saw that as Vader trying to draw Luke out of hiding. Vader was proficient in Dun Möch ya know 😉
Fair enough, but I’m not sure if I’m too convinced that Dun Möch was the intention back in 1980. But, yes he was trying to draw Luke out. But if he had such an explosion of emotion finding out about Luke, then isn’t it slightly weird that his immediate though when learning about Leia is to use her as bait.
This I just don’t buy, Luke was clearly ready to die there, and I don’ really see how Vader would have known he would survive. Maybe he knew Luke was alive when he growls at the Imperial officer later on, but when Luke fell I don’t see how he’d assume anything other than that his son was falling to his death.
Aboard the bridge he instantly know that Luke is alright so the anger stems from Luke slipping through his grasp.
Also he could have known because of precognition just like he knew Luke didn’t fall to his death when he got sucked out of the window.
That’s seem like a bit of a cop out to me.
Also, I wasn’t talking about Vader on the bridge of the Star Destroyer, but a very short moment before when he’s leaving the Carbon Freeze chamber. In the unaltered version of ESB he growls “bring my shuttle” in a clearly angry tone. And outside of any of the fights, it’s the harshest tone he’s ever had in the entire PT.
I don’t really see how that’s comparable to finding out about Luke. But still, I honestly wouldn’t have complained if him finding out about Luke had resulted in a similar silent, and in addition, simply thoughtful, kind of a moment.
I’m not comparing it to anything; I’m just using it as an example of Vader showing emotion pre ROTJ. That’s actually the first genuine emotional moment the audience sees from Vader.
Sure, but even in ANH he does show frustration and even surprise at the end. And this scene really doesn’t convey more than, again, disappointment.
You know what, I’m not even sure why I’m arguing against this story, I haven’t even read the whole thing, just what I could find online + what’s been posted on the forum. I’m probably just tired of seeing this Vader; https://66.media.tumblr.com/8325f965faf10d6e8fc002f612fee202/tumblr_miznvdiK991rkvurgo1_500.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/R1dGS.jpg
and much prefer the darker and more menacing villain that he used to be. I don’t mind there being emotional depth to the character, I just think that it’s been somewhat cheaply, or at least too “obviously” done in the last ten years.I think it depends on the timeline. If Vader is still sulking about Padme without provocation (as in having her being brought up) shortly before SW occurs then that would irritate me
Well, that’s kind of my point. Many of these stories that I mentioned were taking place around ANH. One that especially bugged me (and this was before I disliked the PT) showed Vader having a Padme moment right after the Death Star. And she wasn’t brought up, he just saw some woman that looked nothing like her and for some reason the writers decided that this was just what Vader was like now. But I’ll admit that the new Marvel comic in question had a good excuse.
I think we’re both seeing this from two very different perspectives. I see a character that was created and established in the 70’s and 80’s and treat him as such. I keep forgetting that modern SW writers don’t really give a damn about and simply write the character based on a lot of PT-retconning.
So you’re not wrong about him thinking about Padme, or him using Dun Möch, I’m just arguing that it’s not how the original Vader would have behaved.