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Far and Away: 30th Anniversary Extended Cut (Released) — Page 2

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Once you get used to it, it really isn’t that distracting. My approach was to come at this less from a preservation standpoint for the broadcast but rather to create the best possible presentation of the longer cut of the film (barring better sources surfacing at some point), with all but those 30 minutes in great quality, OAR, and 5.1 audio. I did opt for constant image height, though, to at least keep the image size consistent.

And no problem about making it. I’ve learned a lot about video editing on this project, as well as some earlier efforts. It’s very rewarding. I only apologize for it taking so long to get posted…but I had to cut my teeth on some simpler projects before I felt confident tackling this one. I hope you enjoy it! 😃

EDIT: Here’s a quick sample. I know it’s a big file, so I’d like people to know what to expect. Obviously this isn’t indicative of the full quality, and it’s not in 5.1, but it gives you a decent idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_BL-yDTmxs

I chose this section in particular because the VCR that captured the TV footage had collapsed from stereo into mono temporarily, so you’re seeing the worst-case scenario here.

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Another (and rather strange) thing I forgot to mention as to why I didn’t just use the TV footage only but rather went the hybrid route…the TV footage was somehow recorded too slow. When I had a scene with the score, I had to increase the speed of the TV footage anywhere from 2-4% to match the pitch of the blu-ray footage around it. It was almost like a PAL speed up problem, only in reverse. And the discrepancy also wasn’t exactly constant, so I had to adjust it for each edit to match what was around it. I’m not sure if this was how it was broadcast originally or if it was some deficiency in the recording / digital transfer of the VHS tape. So I guess when I weighed the pros and cons of doing a hybrid, I came out with:

Cons:
Video / audio format shifts.
Pros:
Better PQ for 140 of 169 mins.
OAR for 140 of 169 mins.
5.1 AQ for 140 of 169 mins.
No pitch issues for the TV footage.

…and chose the latter.

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Well there would certainly be an issue of frame rate. The Blu-ray would be 23.976 and the TV version, if transferred properly and from a US broadcast, would be 29.97. In that clip, the TV footage definitely gets “jumpy” because of the cut frames.

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Fortunately, the DVD was PAL rather than NTSC. So since it was at the right pitch and speed at 25fps, I only had to change the frame rate to 23.976fps and then tell Premiere to play it back at 104% in my editing timeline and everything exported smoothly. Any jumpiness you might be perceiving from the YouTube clip is inherent to the source I had (it’s entirely possible that the person who transferred this to PAL from the broadcast introduced the slight judder to begin with). The DVD was certainly hardly reference material as it was.

Now, I did run into precisely the issue you’re describing when attempting a similar Dead Poet’s Society Extended Cut using the source here at the spleen. That was 29.97 DVD, and no matter what I’ve done, the extra material is a tad jerky…but what can ya do?

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I would be extremely interested in getting a copy of that reconstructed version… I’ve been a fan of this movie since it came out, it’s one of my top 10 ever films, and I and have always wanted to see the longer version again…

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Arg… ok, I’ll work on jumping through all the hoops… Sigh.

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Hi, probably pretty obvious I’m a new member by asking this question, but what is ‘the spleen’? I’ve similarly been trying to find a copy of this director’s cut for a long time, and I’m also willing to jump through whatever hoops necessary to see this again! Can someone help?

Jonathan

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v2.0 in progress. All I’ll say right now is that it will leave v1.0 utterly in the dust.

The TV scenes are still 4:3, but that’s where the bad news ends.

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Croweyes1121 said:

v2.0 in progress. All I’ll say right now is that it will leave v1.0 utterly in the dust.

The TV scenes are still 4:3, but that’s where the bad news ends.

Wahooo!
Thanks for your work!

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Croweyes1121 said:

v2.0 in progress. All I’ll say right now is that it will leave v1.0 utterly in the dust.

The TV scenes are still 4:3, but that’s where the bad news ends.

thank you very much for your effort, i look forward to it!

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Work on v2.0 has progressed quite well. So much so, in fact, that I’ve decided to share some more information sooner rather than later as I believe this may be wrapped up in a few months.

  1. v2.0 utilizes a MUCH superior source for the extra TV footage (I contacted a fellow fan who miraculously located an old recording, still stored in his DVR, from a PDTV USA broadcast). As this copy never got sent to a VHS tape, the quality of this source, while still 4:3 SD, is miles better than what I had to work with in v1.0. The audio is also clean, with no analog tape hiss.

  2. The only drawback to the new source is that there is a semi-transparent USA network watermark at bottom right of ALL of the footage. Correcting this issue is the most time-consuming part of v2.0. I’m tackling this by using a lesser-quality, logoless source, applying a feathered mask, and letting this source show through where the logo would be. The hardest part is that the lower quality copy was not detelecined properly, so it does not share the same duplicate / skipped frames as the USA source, which is forcing me to fix the mask on the TV footage frame-by-frame so the image doesn’t skip around inside of it.

  3. Both the USA and lower quality source are being color-corrected scene-by-scene using Dr. Dre’s color correction tool, and then by eye for fine tuning.

  4. Both TV sources have been upscaled using Topaz AI to squeeze every last drop of detail out of this.

  5. The USA audio track has been remixed into 5.1 using Audition to better match the surrounding HD footage. This process isn’t perfect, so there’s a bit of inherent flangy “digitalness” to the audio, but it’s still much, much better than v1.0, which collapsed into 2.0 stereo (and as it turns out, my original TV source was actually 2.0 mono and not true stereo at all) every time an additional scene occurred. This time, dialogue stays anchored in the center channel as it should, etc.

  6. I am maintaining the constant image height presentation just as with v1.0. I know that shifting aspect ratios really annoy some people, but there’s simply no better way to do this. The extended cut has only ever been seen in 4:3, and the only other options would be to:

a. Crop the entire film to 4:3, ruining the cinematography for 2.5 hours for the sake of 30 mins.

b. Blow up the 4:3 footage to fill the 2.39:1 frame left to right, resulting in even more severe cropping.

c. Recompose the entire film for 16:9, leaving both the Blu-ray and the TV scenes cropped.

d. Pillarbox (fill the screen height with) the TV footage, causing every TV scene to appear too large compared to the corresponding HD shots in the same scenes.

So I’m not going those routes. People will just have to deal with the image changing from 2.39:1 to (windowboxed) 4:3, with constant image height.

  1. The audio transitions on this version will be GREATLY improved over the prior version as well. Frankly, I have to throw myself on the sword for this one. I made v1.0 back in 2014, and I’ve learned a ton since then.

  2. I actually missed 3-4 (very) brief shots from the TV version on the prior version. I was much more thorough this time, and absolutely everything is here in v2.0.

  3. I’ll also be upgrading this version from 720p with LPCM 5.1 audio (again, I plead temporary insanity in 2014) to 1080p (at a much higher bitrate) with DTS-HD MA 5.1 audio.

Final running time is 169 mins. 27 secs. Side note: the reason for the running time differing from the 176-min. reported time are twofold: 1. The original two-night ABC airing contained a second credit sequence for night two, complete with a different opening credits sequence in Boston, etc. Obviously this has been excised (and does not exist on the USA source). Also - and I don’t know why this is, but - apparently all of the TV airings aired slightly slow (the pitch is incorrect compared to the Blu-ray and the film score - it is this way on all three sources I have in my possession), possibly to further pad air time. So that’s why we’re left with this running time. Anyway, this should be released on the spleen within a few months if all goes well.

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grateful thanks Croweyes1121 for your update, i’m really looking forward to the result.

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grateful thanks Croweyes1121 for your update, i’m really looking forward to the result.

My pleasure. It seems that somehow, the TV footage was aired at a native 23.976 fps, yet the footage is played slightly slow (around 96.77% of proper speed - it’s not a typical PAL to NTSC slowdown, which would have been 95.905%, I tried that…it’s quite peculiar), with improper pitch…so I have two options: speed up all of the footage to the correct pitch (which I did originally, resulting in choppy motion due to skipped frames) or maintain the 23.976 frame rate and run the audio through a lengthy pitch-correction process which will fix the pitch but maintain length. The resulting footage will play smoothly, with audio at the correct pitch. It may not be the “correct” speed, but the motion will be fluid and not detectably wrong. This is what I’m opting for with v2.0.

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I’m not knowledgeable about technical things, but the second option sounds more sensible to me.
I think, that smoothly motion is important.

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nat said:

I’m not knowledgeable about technical things, but the second option sounds more sensible to me.
I think, that smoothly motion is important.

Agreed. Once I noticed the skipping frames, I could not unsee the choppy motion. Unfortunately, fixing all the footage will add some time to the project now, but I can’t let it go out that way.

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Well guys, it looks like I spoke too soon on this.

I have a very unique problem. The broadcast is too slow. It doesn’t stay in time with the BD. And yet detelecining the braodcast to 23.976fps DOES produce smooth motion (which then needs to be sped up to around 103-104% to match the speed and the pitch of the BD). This makes literally no sense at all. The film itself was shot at 24fps, so I have no idea how a broadcast would have the proper framerate yet not have the correct duration. This has me totally baffled. Speeding the footage up introduces jerky motion. Keeping it at smooth motion makes the footage duration take too long compared with the BD, so the audio transitions don’t work. This is the strangest thing I have ever seen.

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Okay, so it turns out that the framerate issue is a bit more complicated than previously thought, BUT I think we’ve figured out what’s wrong, and will be able to correct it. Basically, since the SD broadcast standard was 29.97fps, I had thought that removing all of the duplicate frames would automatically correct things to the proper 23.976fps speed. But for some reason, both halves of this broadcast have more duplicate frames than usual. Part 1 has an effective, decimated framerate of 23.22fps, and Part 2 clocks in at 22.98fps. Both parts then need to be reassembled to the proper 23.976fps rate to adjust for the speed problem. This will take time, but the end result will be worth it. It’ll be months, not weeks, but it should be great.

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Here’s a sneak peak at what’s being done with the TV footage.

Lesser-quality (logoless) source:
https://i.ibb.co/sQ9gHCH/correction1.png

Better quality source (with logo):
https://i.ibb.co/0Gkw55s/correction2.png

Initial Topaz AI upscale:
https://i.ibb.co/1rMcByv/correction3.png

Final restoration, with logo removal (lesser source used to mask logo area):
https://i.ibb.co/QNkDk00/correction4.png

There will also be a color-correction done to liven up the colors and bring it more in line with the Blu-ray on the final version, both to the main USA source, and to the low-quality source, matching it to the correction done to the USA version.

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This is without a doubt the film restoration I look forward to most in the next year. Thank you so much for your hard work.

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Thank you very much Croweyes1121 for the sneak peak.
I look forward to it.

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happy new year for you too,
and thanks for the video