The credits are longer because Harmy thanks the people who helped him on the DE. That’s the reason for the extra couple of minutes on each film. I don’t know about the Yoda thing, though.
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Okay, thanks. Makes sense. I rechecked and the audio choice of the 16mm mono mix DOES have that little Yoda yell…but in checking the other English audio tracks, it’s not there.
That was apparently present in the 70mm mix (and therefore the 16mm). Since you were expecting it, maybe it was present in a home video release at some point in time, but not the theatrical 35mm audio.
That was apparently present in the 70mm mix (and therefore the 16mm). Since you were expecting it, maybe it was present in a home video release at some point in time, but not the theatrical 35mm audio.
The yell was in the 70mm, 16mm, and 8mm mixes, but wasn’t on the 35mm mix or any home video mix until the SE. It’s possible a broadcaster could have gotten a source with it before then, though.
TESB is the one I saw the most theatrically, both in 35mm and 70mm presentations. It’s the one out of all SW films I’ve seen the most, and I would swear that little Yoda yell was in every version I’ve ever seen. Certainly I recall hearing it in ever theatrical showing I ever saw back then. Point being is why wouldn’t it be included in the audio since it was certainly part of the audio at some point BEFORE the SE was ever created? Also, again…I checked all the English audio tracks on this and the yell is only in the 16mm audio track. Why none of the others? I’m only questioning its omission certainly from any of the pre-SE audio tracks because it certainly was there prior to that version, yet I’m assuming the primary audio source for this edit was from the SE BD…so could this simply be an oversight? Overall this edition was outstanding…yet I realize this one little thing is probably insignificant, but it’s bothering me because it’s one little thing I remember quite well from every time I’ve seen it before the SE was ever around (and I’ve actually refused to watch the SE of TESB).
Well, we have 35mm film scans that are available now, so someone could verify your claim about the 35mm. It could be that there is variability among the 35mm prints, but that would be unprecedented as far as documented esb changes.
If it was present on the 35mm, sure, it should be included. Including it on the main mix that represents the 35mm, just because it was “at some point” present pre-SE (but not on the 35mm itself) doesn’t make any sense. The tracks are representative of the various specific mixes including 35mm and 70mm/16mm versions from start to finish, rather than being composites of everything that was present prior to 1997.
And I wouldn’t worry about one little thing being insignificant. Around here, the littlest things tend to be the most significant. 😛 In this case, you might not be correct, though. The Grindhouse release of ESB should have the 35mm optical track present to be sure.
Speaking of 70mm ESB, did any of you see the interview with Dennis Muren posted on the Star Wars YouTube channel? He talks about how there were some 70mm prints sent out and screened with some unfinished effects shots and that these prints are likely still floating around out there somewhere.
Unfinished effects shots or just without the latest effects shots in the final scene? All of the 70mm prints lack the latter.
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The Grindhouse release of ESB should have the 35mm optical track present to be sure.
I just checked, and Grindhouse doesn’t have the yell you’re looking for…
Unfinished effects shots or just without the latest effects shots in the final scene? All of the 70mm prints lack the latter.
I wasn’t sure if that’s what he was referring to or not. He mentions “some unfinished effects shots” as though there are multiples and doesn’t mention shots that were left out, rather he makes it seem as though there were unfinished effects shots physically in the film that was sent out.
The 70mm prints were sent out earlier and they did some last minute newer/better shots of the ships present at the end in time for the 35mm but not the 70mm, as I understand it. The 16mm prints also lack them.
The 70mm prints were sent out earlier and they did some last minute newer/better shots of the ships present at the end in time for the 35mm but not the 70mm, as I understand it. The 16mm prints also lack them.
Hmm. I knew about that, but it just seemed like he was referring to more than just that one bit. Well I guess we’ll find out if we ever come across a 70mm print with some more different effects.
It would also (to me at least) make sense that Yoda makes some sort of natural verbal reaction to Luke aiming the blaster at him. As far as a possible difference between the 35mm and 70mm prints…I can’t say for certain what I heard in each because I saw TESB several times in both print formats.
towne32 said:
The Grindhouse release of ESB should have the 35mm optical track present to be sure.I just checked, and Grindhouse doesn’t have the yell you’re looking for…
Can confirm.
It would also (to me at least) make sense that Yoda makes some sort of natural verbal reaction to Luke aiming the blaster at him. As far as a possible difference between the 35mm and 70mm prints…I can’t say for certain what I heard in each because I saw TESB several times in both print formats.
Just lump it in with the grappling hook false memory, you’re in good company. Be happy you saw the 70mm prints so many times, they still present us with a preservation challenge!
The 70mm prints were sent out earlier and they did some last minute newer/better shots of the ships present at the end in time for the 35mm but not the 70mm, as I understand it. The 16mm prints also lack them.
Hmm. I knew about that, but it just seemed like he was referring to more than just that one bit. Well I guess we’ll find out if we ever come across a 70mm print with some more different effects.
The 8mm digest print has some alternate visuals (and audio), matching what people have reported about the 70mm prints, so it’s probably a reduction of that version. It’s on the Spleen: Puggo Edition.
The yell was in the 70mm, 16mm, and 8mm mixes, but wasn’t on the 35mm mix or any home video mix until the SE.
I just checked the 70mm in-theater recording and the Yoda yell is not there.
The yell was in the 70mm, 16mm, and 8mm mixes, but wasn’t on the 35mm mix or any home video mix until the SE.
I just checked the 70mm in-theater recording and the Yoda yell is not there.
Whoah. So that’s a 16mm mix difference that’s NOT also on 70mm. I was assuming 16mm differences were a subset of 70mm, but it appears there’s some Venn diagram complexity here. It also means the yell wouldn’t have been heard in a normal theatrical setting at all, but may have been heard in hospital/military venues where 16mms were shown, at home, or possibly in some odd broadcaster version.
Hasn’t it previously been established that the 16mm mix is indeed a separate mono mix?
Yes it is a separate Mono mix, but there are many similarities between the 16mm mono and the 70mm mix, but I guess they’re not 100% but what I’m hearing.
On a separate note, I do wonder if there is a higher quality source of the mono mix somewhere. Perhaps an obscure VHS or laserdisc?
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
Are the Puggo audio tracks beyond cleaning up?
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Are the Puggo audio tracks beyond cleaning up.
16mm optical is very lo-fi. Frequency range is about 200hz to 6khz and a s/n ratio of 40-50db.
Warble is pretty bad on the format as well. Piano notes suffer in particular. Instead of a “diiiing” you get a “diiIIiiiinnNNNNNnggGG”
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
I saw the 70mm version back in the day. When I watched the Puggo Edition a few years ago, many of the audio differences immediately struck me as familiar, especially the Yoda yell. If they weren’t in the 70mm version, I don’t know where else I would’ve heard them.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Wait wait wait… We’re a couple months away from 3.0? Or ESB 2.5?