You’re still ignoring the fact that the setting makes the actions of the people in play out very differently. If the Falcon had been doing any maneuvers and shit you’d be right. The stuff that actually happens in the scenes are far from similar. Answer these questions:
Did the Chewie almost crash the Falcon before the chase began?
Did the Falcon bob and weave among other maneuvers to escape and/or destroy the TIEs?
Did Chewie fly into any structures to avoid a TIE Fighter?
Did one of the canon/s get shot?
Did the last TIE Fighter get destroyed due to the pilot maneuvering The Falcon in such a position so that the canon (while stuck) can get a perfect shot?And that’s why I said the difference lies mostly in being on the ground. Like you pointed out, there’s also the gun jamming, but otherwise you get lots of visual references and a rehashed plot point: the main characters are escaping with the Falcon while chased by two TIEs. It’s still a remake, but thankfully it’s not exactly the same scene, but if you ask me why I prefer the PT when it comes down to shared references, it’s because in the PT there’s not a single scene that has so many “references”, it always feels more fresh. Again, in comparison the astreoid chase in AOTC only shares the setting (which actually looks very different), but not only plays completely differently, its plot point is completely different too, not even similar.
I’m okay with a rehashed plot point if it’s presented in a totally different way. Also visual nods don’t really make an impression on me.
Like Lucas, if J.J. wants to make “poetry”, he also has to give us a solid and coherent reason, or it really is just ripping off.
[‘The Force Awakens’] was a bridge and a kind of reminder; the audience needed to be reminded what ‘Star Wars’ is, but it needed to be established with something familiar, with a sense of where we are going to new lands, which is very much what 8 and 9 do. The weird thing about that movie is that it had been so long since the last one. Obviously the prequels had existed in between and we wanted to, sort of, reclaim the story. So we very consciously — and I know it is derided for this — we very consciously tried to borrow familiar beats so the rest of the movie could hang on something that we knew was ‘Star Wars.’ - JJ Abrams
So take that quote however you deem necessary.
I meant in TFA, maybe I wasn’t clear enough, sorry 😄
Rey has a kind of similar story to Luke but in terms of personality traits there’s not much they have in common say for a tad bit of arrogance that both characters exhibit.
Finn doesn’t really resemble any character in the OT
Poe’s character wasn’t developed enough but he reminds me kind of Han post SW but without the whole scoundrel angel.
Kylo Ren is a conflicted character who feels a pull to the light (which is natural unlike Vader’s conflict which was due to Luke) even though he’s trying to submerge further into darkness and is doing his damnedest to emulate a long dead Sith Lord. And unlike Vader he hasn’t completed his training and flies off the handle when things don’t go his way. Other than them wearing masks and being clad in back they don’t have much in common other than a similar backstory. Well at least until we get a prequel novel.
Han is similar to Obi-Wan as he is the person who teaches our heroes about The Force and the state of things. He becomes to Rey a potential father figure (which come to think of it there is nothing to suggest Luke never saw Obi-Wan as anything other than a mentor) and dies towards the end of the film though in a very different way than Obi-Wan did. Unless the film started with our heroes as Jedi’s we would need to have someone more experienced tell our heroes and the audience what the Force is.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean.
While you think that the reason one would mirror something else is what this conversation comes down to I think the way in which you mirror something is what is most important.
It’s a mirrored plot point, there’s no reason to deny it. If you think it isn’t, considering Anakin meeting Qui-gon on Tatooine mirrors Luke’s meeting with Ben, tell me when did Luke had to work for Watto, play in a podrace to win his freedom, promise her mother he’ll be back to free her too. Same with Anakin destroying the droid control ship: when did Luke join the attack disobeying his master? Do you remember when Luke falls in love with Leia and later brings her to Naboo to protect her and marries her? What about Luke fighting side-by-side with Ben while Vader tried to escape? :\
If anything Poe’s story is more similar to Rey’s. Poe is the one who puts the information in a droid. Poe is the one who get’s captured shortly there after. Poe is also interrogated but difference is that he gave in to Kylo’s mind probing. And Poe is the one is is broken out of captivity. Also unlike Leia Rey is actually interrogated about the mcguffin.