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Frank your Majesty said:

John Doom said:

-one of the main charcters is captured AND interrogated EXACTLY in the same base they were to destroy (don’t tell me J.J. wanted to mirror Rey’s journey to Leia’s, again for what reason? 😄 );

Why not?

VERY QUESTION MARK

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imperialscum said:

We will never know I guess. It could have even been better. Not that it would take a lot as TFA is quite average.

SO ITS GONE FROM AVERAGE TO HORRENDOUS IN JUST UNDER ONE MONTH

HOW EMBARRASSING

It is average film in general. It is horrendous if I take OT as a reference.

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YEAH SURE AND THAT WASNT TRUMPS VOICE ON THE RECORDING EITHER

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TV’s Frink said:

APPARENTLY VERY ANSWERS HOW NOW

How <adjective>/<adverb>? Very <adjective>/<adverb>.

I am not here to teach you basic grammar. Come back when you master it.

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John Doom said:
Besides the fact it plays on the planet, it has so many references you could say it’s almost a 1:1 shot-by-shot remake of the Falcon’s escape from the DS (I think someone also posted a gif depicting this).

No you can’t. You can’t tell me that Han and Luke shooting at TIE Fighters while the Falcon was pretty much flying without movement is the same as the chase scene in TFA where Rey is doing maneuvers to evade the TIEs even to the point of setting up that circus shot at the end. Also having it be in a desert and inside of a Star Destroyer adds a completely different dynamic to the chase whereas in SW where it’s just in space.

Also the gif is just the movement of Han and Finn in the seat. Which is really the only thing you can accurately compare.

Right, but for Luke and Anakin journeys to mirror the way I said, it necessarily had to.

There’s other ways he could have lost his hand. But then again why is mirroring right in the PT but is bad in the ST?

TFA had no reason to make Rey’s journey to Luke’s, though, so it’s fine.

Neither did Anakin’s. They could have made it so there were similarities here and there but just like TFA they went overboard with it. In this regard even moreso. But Rey’s journey isn’t over yet so other similarities may arise.

Except for the “NOOO” 😄 visual reference, it didn’t affect the plot the same way, so I’m not sure it’s actually rehashed: Luke is still an apprentice and now without a master, Obi-wan is already a Jedi Knight and has no need for more training (actually, he is the one who has to train now).

Well I’m talking about the scene itself not how it effects the rest of the trilogy. If we’re comparing movie to movie it’s definitely an overt mirroring. Certainly more overt than Han’s death.

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Frank your Majesty said:

And the PT taking place right on Tatooine is acceptable because it mirrors Luke’s journey? Why can’t TFA mirror Luke’s journey?

Frank your Majesty said:

The prequels didn’t have any reason to exactly mirror Luke’s journey, either.

Anakin’s journey mirroring Luke’s is made clear since TPM, so it makes sense that Qui-gon finds Anakin on Tatooine (and since Anakin was Luke’s father, it still makes sense he was living on Tatooine too). The reason is so we can finally compare Luke’s journey to Anakin’s, to see why they were alike yet different.
Why would TFA mirror Luke’s journey, though? I can’t find an answer, since there are lots of references in TFA, but mirroring is done for very different characters throughout the movie, so there’s no consistence to begin with.

To this, there are WAY more rehashed plot points, and this time for no actual reason at all:
-a droid carries important data;
-the one who got the data, later gets captured (were they trying to compare Poes’s journey to Leia’s? For what reason? 😄 )
-the droid gets on a desert planet that looks almost exactly like Tatooine;
-the main protagonists have to escape this planet while chased by the empire/FO;

Luke’s journey etc.

Mirrored for who and for what reason?

-the Falcon is caught in a tractor beam;

Completely different situation.

That’s true, it’s more like a visual reference.

-the old man examines the droid’s data (for what reason Han has to mirror Ben?);
[…] -the old man is killed by the main villain (again, why Han has to mirror Ben?);

Han’s now a father, so making him a father figure to Rey establishes this character trait.

Was Obi-wan like a father to Luke? He was an acquaintance and him mentor. Han is not Rey’s mentor (in fact, she knows how to repair the Falcon better than him 😄 ). Palpatine was also a father figure to Anakin, but they didn’t have him to kill him in the PT to enstablish his role 😄

-the empire/FO is lead by a hooded darkside user;

By this point, that’s pretty much a prerequisite for Star Wars. Had it been otherwise, people would have bitched about it, too.

I also saw lots of people bitching because they didn’t get a military commander instead. Snoke didn’t have to look so much like Palpatine either, though.

-one of the main charcters is captured AND interrogated EXACTLY in the same base they were to destroy (don’t tell me J.J. wanted to mirror Rey’s journey to Leia’s, again for what reason? 😄 );

Why not?

What would they accomplish making Rey mirror with Leia? Are they somehow alike? Do they fill the same role? Is Rey a Republic leader?

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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Also why are we comparing Leia with Rey? Rey is our main character and Luke was never captured by force (remember that the whole thing at Jabba’s Palace was all part of his plan) in the OT. If anything we should be comparing those too. And them both being female has nothing to do with anything so don’t go there.

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The Wampa doesn’t count lol

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I find it shocking that some people think the prequels are original.

The Person in Question

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Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
Besides the fact it plays on the planet, it has so many references you could say it’s almost a 1:1 shot-by-shot remake of the Falcon’s escape from the DS (I think someone also posted a gif depicting this).

No you can’t. You can’t tell me that Han and Luke shooting at TIE Fighters while the Falcon was pretty much flying without movement is the same as the chase scene in TFA where Rey is doing maneuvers to evade the TIEs even to the point of setting up that circus shot at the end. Also having it be in a desert and inside of a Star Destroyer adds a completely different dynamic to the chase whereas in SW where it’s just in space.

😄 Exactly what I said: the difference lies in the fact they’re still on the planet, so you have Rey doing maneuvers to the avade the TIEs. Compared to what was done in the PT (in AOTC/TESB’s asteroid chase sequence, for example, where only the setting was shared, but what happend was different) there are so many visual references 75% of the scene plays the same as in ANH, it’s a fact.

Also the gif is just the movement of Han and Finn in the seat. Which is really the only thing you can accurately compare.

There are much more references, watch it here. It’s a clear remake, minus the fact they’re on the planet.

Right, but for Luke and Anakin journeys to mirror the way I said, it necessarily had to.

There’s other ways he could have lost his hand. But then again why is mirroring right in the PT but is bad in the ST?

The PT has a solid reason to make Anakin’s journey mirror Luke’s, but can you tell me what character mirrors who in the OT and for what reason?

TFA had no reason to make Rey’s journey to Luke’s, though, so it’s fine.

Neither did Anakin’s. They could have made it so there were similarities here and there but just like TFA they went overboard with it. In this regard even moreso.

I disagree.

But Rey’s journey isn’t over yet so other similarities may arise.

Similitarities with who or what and why?

If we’re comparing movie to movie it’s definitely an overt mirroring. Certainly more overt than Han’s death.

It all comes down to the reason one would mirror two characters or situations.

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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Lord Haseo said:

Also why are we comparing Leia with Rey? Rey is our main character and Luke was never captured by force (remember that the whole thing at Jabba’s Palace was all part of his plan) in the OT. If anything we should be comparing those too. And them both being female has nothing to do with anything so don’t go there.

It’s not because they’re both female, it’s because Rey being captured and interrogated on the SKB heavily “mirrors” Leia’s experience in ANH. As for why it mirrors, I’d like to ask J.J. this myself 😄

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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John Doom said:
😄 Exactly what I said: the difference lies in the fact they’re still on the planet, so you have the Falcon Rey doing maneuvers to the avade the TIE. Compared to what was done in the PT (in AOTC/TESB’s asteroid chase sequence, for example, where only the setting was shared, but what happend was different) there are so many visual references 75% of the scene plays the same as in ANH, it’s a fact.

You’re still ignoring the fact that the setting makes the actions of the people in play out very differently. If the Falcon had been doing any maneuvers and shit you’d be right. The stuff that actually happens in the scenes are far from similar. Answer these questions:

Did the Chewie almost crash the Falcon before the chase began?
Did the Falcon bob and weave among other maneuvers to escape and/or destroy the TIEs?
Did Chewie fly into any structures to avoid a TIE Fighter?
Did one of the canon/s get shot making it unable to move?
Did the last TIE Fighter get destroyed due to the pilot maneuvering The Falcon in such a position so that the canon (while stuck) can get a perfect shot?

There are much more references, watch it here. It’s a clear remake, minus the fact they’re on the planet.

A lot of these are visual nods though. Some of which would be impossible to make look distinct from SW. Again the questions I posed are the key to all of this.

The PT has a solid reason to make Anakin’s journey mirror Luke’s

Because Lucas. That’s what this is all about when we get down to it. People are fine when Lucas takes stuff from Flash Gordan, Akira Kurosawa films (both in SW and TPM), Dam Busters etc. and even when he does it to himself. It’s just written off as paying homage and in the PT’s case…poetry but when JJ does it it’s considering ripping off.

but can you tell me what character mirrors who in the OT and for what reason?

Qui-Gon is supposed to mirror Obi-Wan (at least from a plot perspective)

Padme is supposed to mirror Leia due to her being a damsel at first but who is established to be more capable and is the love interest of the PT

Anakin is supposed to mirror Luke in some respects to both character and their journey

The only reason I can conjure up is that maybe it’s supposed to mean that history repeats itself or something like that…

I disagree.

And you’re definitely entitled to do so 😄

Similitarities with who or what and why?

To Luke I guess and the reason being the whole history repeating itself thing. They seem to be mirroring Rey’s journey less than Luke’s so I hope they go in a completely different direction from here on out.

It all comes down to the reason one would mirror two characters or situations.

I disagree. In terms of the conversation I think the things that happen in the scenes matter more than the intent or even the outcome of such scenes.

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John Doom said:
It’s not because they’re both female, it’s because Rey being captured and interrogated on the SKB heavily “mirrors” Leia’s experience in ANH. As for why it mirrors, I’d like to ask J.J. this myself 😄

So Rey was aboard a ship with the stolen SKB plans and was stunned by a Storm Trooper after putting the information in a droid and then is interrogated with a mind probe droid so that the First Order could ascertain the location of The Resistance base to only be rescued later on in the film by one of our main characters masquerading as a Storm Trooper? I guess I need to watch the film again…

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Lord Haseo said:

You’re still ignoring the fact that the setting makes the actions of the people in play out very differently. If the Falcon had been doing any maneuvers and shit you’d be right. The stuff that actually happens in the scenes are far from similar. Answer these questions:

Did the Chewie almost crash the Falcon before the chase began?
Did the Falcon bob and weave among other maneuvers to escape and/or destroy the TIEs?
Did Chewie fly into any structures to avoid a TIE Fighter?
Did one of the canon/s get shot?
Did the last TIE Fighter get destroyed due to the pilot maneuvering The Falcon in such a position so that the canon (while stuck) can get a perfect shot?

And that’s why I said the difference lies mostly in being on the ground. Like you pointed out, there’s also the gun jamming, but otherwise you get lots of visual references and a rehashed plot point: the main characters are escaping with the Falcon while chased by two TIEs. It’s still a remake, but thankfully it’s not exactly the same scene, but if you ask me why I prefer the PT when it comes down to shared references, it’s because in the PT there’s not a single scene that has so many “references”, it always feels more fresh. Again, in comparison the astreoid chase in AOTC only shares the setting (which actually looks very different), but not only plays completely differently, its plot point is completely different too, not even similar.

The PT has a solid reason to make Anakin’s journey mirror Luke’s

Because Lucas. That’s what this is all about when we get down to it. People are fine when Lucas takes stuff from Flash Gordan, Akira Kurosawa films (both in SW and TPM), Dam Busters etc. and even when he does it to himself. It’s just written off as paying homage and in the PT’s case…poetry but when JJ does it it’s considering ripping off.

Like Lucas, if J.J. wants to make “poetry”, he also has to give us a solid and coherent reason, or it really is just ripping off.

but can you tell me what character mirrors who in the OT and for what reason?

Qui-Gon […]

I meant in TFA, maybe I wasn’t clear enough, sorry 😄

Similitarities with who or what and why?

To Luke I guess and the reason being the whole history repeating itself thing. They seem to be mirroring Rey’s journey less than Luke’s so I hope they go in a completely different direction from here on out.

Are you sure, though? See how she also mirrors with Leia.

It all comes down to the reason one would mirror two characters or situations.

I disagree. In terms of the conversation I think the things that happen in the scenes matter more than the intent or even the outcome of such scenes.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean.

So Rey was aboard a ship with the stolen SKB plans and was stunned by a Storm Trooper after putting it in a droid and then is interrogated with a mind probe droid as to the location of The Resistance base and then is rescued by one of our main characters masquerading as a Storm Trooper? I guess I need to watch the film again…

It’s a mirrored plot point, there’s no reason to deny it. If you think it isn’t, considering Anakin meeting Qui-gon on Tatooine mirrors Luke’s meeting with Ben, tell me when did Luke have to work for Watto, play in a podrace to win his freedom, promise her mother he’ll be back to free her too. Same with Anakin destroying the droid control ship: when did Luke join the attack disobeying his master? Do you remember when Luke falls in love with Leia and later brings her to Naboo to protect her and marries her? What about Luke fighting side-by-side with Ben while Vader tried to escape? :\

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES IM GLAD I DONT CARE WHAT COPIED WHAT AND AM FREE TO ENJOY TFA WHILE NOT ENJOYING THE PT

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John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

You’re still ignoring the fact that the setting makes the actions of the people in play out very differently. If the Falcon had been doing any maneuvers and shit you’d be right. The stuff that actually happens in the scenes are far from similar. Answer these questions:

Did the Chewie almost crash the Falcon before the chase began?
Did the Falcon bob and weave among other maneuvers to escape and/or destroy the TIEs?
Did Chewie fly into any structures to avoid a TIE Fighter?
Did one of the canon/s get shot?
Did the last TIE Fighter get destroyed due to the pilot maneuvering The Falcon in such a position so that the canon (while stuck) can get a perfect shot?

And that’s why I said the difference lies mostly in being on the ground. Like you pointed out, there’s also the gun jamming, but otherwise you get lots of visual references and a rehashed plot point: the main characters are escaping with the Falcon while chased by two TIEs. It’s still a remake, but thankfully it’s not exactly the same scene, but if you ask me why I prefer the PT when it comes down to shared references, it’s because in the PT there’s not a single scene that has so many “references”, it always feels more fresh. Again, in comparison the astreoid chase in AOTC only shares the setting (which actually looks very different), but not only plays completely differently, its plot point is completely different too, not even similar.

I’m okay with a rehashed plot point if it’s presented in a totally different way. Also visual nods don’t really make an impression on me.

Like Lucas, if J.J. wants to make “poetry”, he also has to give us a solid and coherent reason, or it really is just ripping off.

[‘The Force Awakens’] was a bridge and a kind of reminder; the audience needed to be reminded what ‘Star Wars’ is, but it needed to be established with something familiar, with a sense of where we are going to new lands, which is very much what 8 and 9 do. The weird thing about that movie is that it had been so long since the last one. Obviously the prequels had existed in between and we wanted to, sort of, reclaim the story. So we very consciously — and I know it is derided for this — we very consciously tried to borrow familiar beats so the rest of the movie could hang on something that we knew was ‘Star Wars.’ - JJ Abrams

So take that quote however you deem necessary.

I meant in TFA, maybe I wasn’t clear enough, sorry 😄

Rey has a kind of similar story to Luke but in terms of personality traits there’s not much they have in common say for a tad bit of arrogance that both characters exhibit.

Finn doesn’t really resemble any character in the OT

Poe’s character wasn’t developed enough but he reminds me kind of Han post SW but without the whole scoundrel angel.

Kylo Ren is a conflicted character who feels a pull to the light (which is natural unlike Vader’s conflict which was due to Luke) even though he’s trying to submerge further into darkness and is doing his damnedest to emulate a long dead Sith Lord. And unlike Vader he hasn’t completed his training and flies off the handle when things don’t go his way. Other than them wearing masks and being clad in back they don’t have much in common other than a similar backstory. Well at least until we get a prequel novel.

Han is similar to Obi-Wan as he is the person who teaches our heroes about The Force and the state of things. He becomes to Rey a potential father figure (which come to think of it there is nothing to suggest Luke never saw Obi-Wan as anything other than a mentor) and dies towards the end of the film though in a very different way than Obi-Wan did. Unless the film started with our heroes as Jedi’s we would need to have someone more experienced tell our heroes and the audience what the Force is.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean.

While you think that the reason one would mirror something else is what this conversation comes down to I think the way in which you mirror something is what is most important.

It’s a mirrored plot point, there’s no reason to deny it. If you think it isn’t, considering Anakin meeting Qui-gon on Tatooine mirrors Luke’s meeting with Ben, tell me when did Luke had to work for Watto, play in a podrace to win his freedom, promise her mother he’ll be back to free her too. Same with Anakin destroying the droid control ship: when did Luke join the attack disobeying his master? Do you remember when Luke falls in love with Leia and later brings her to Naboo to protect her and marries her? What about Luke fighting side-by-side with Ben while Vader tried to escape? :\

If anything Poe’s story is more similar to Rey’s. Poe is the one who puts the information in a droid. Poe is the one who get’s captured shortly there after. Poe is also interrogated but difference is that he gave in to Kylo’s mind probing. And Poe is the one is is broken out of captivity. Also unlike Leia Rey is actually interrogated about the mcguffin.

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Lord Haseo said:

[‘The Force Awakens’] was a bridge and a kind of reminder; the audience needed to be reminded what ‘Star Wars’ is, but it needed to be established with something familiar, with a sense of where we are going to new lands, which is very much what 8 and 9 do. The weird thing about that movie is that it had been so long since the last one. Obviously the prequels had existed in between and we wanted to, sort of, reclaim the story. So we very consciously — and I know it is derided for this — we very consciously tried to borrow familiar beats so the rest of the movie could hang on something that we knew was ‘Star Wars.’ - JJ Abrams

So take that quote however you deem necessary.

I see what he means. It makes sense for the audiance, but otherwise there’s no in-universe explaination (which I dislike). It all comes down to whether one accepts this mirroring for what it is. I don’t find his reclaiming the story a solid reason for mirroring in TFA’s plot (especially so heavily) and I strongly hope they’re really going to stop doing this for the next movies (it’s a “deal breaker” for me), but I understand his decision and who agrees with it.

If anything Poe’s story is more similar to Rey’s. Poe is the one who puts the information in a droid. Poe is the one who get’s captured shortly there after. Poe is also interrogated but difference is that he gave in to Kylo’s mind probing. And Poe is the one is is broken out of captivity. Also unlike Leia Rey is actually interrogated about the mcguffin.

😄 50/50 then, I guess. If like J.J. said TFA’s mirroring are scene related rather than character related (like the PT), then I guess it doesn’t need to work specifically to a certain character, so I think it makes sense.

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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DominicCobb said:

Georgie is no stranger to retreads. It’s hilarious how some people are now retroactively considering the other Star Wars movies “original,” prequels especially.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a Lucas made Episode VII was just as much a SW “rip-off” as TFA. TPM already kind of was.

Read this and was like “Oh boy, here we go again.”

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

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John Doom said:
I see what he means. It makes sense for the audiance, but otherwise there’s no in-universe explaination (which I dislike).

There wasn’t any in the PT. As in it being specifically stated that history is bound to repeat itself.

It all comes down to whether one accepts this mirroring for what it is. I don’t find his reclaiming the story a solid reason for mirroring in TFA’s plot (especially so heavily) and I strongly hope they’re really going to stop doing this for the next movies (it’s a “deal breaker” for me), but I understand his decision and who agrees with it.

I hope the other two are more original as well. TFA did what it needed to do for the most part. It got a lot of core fans back on board and it got new people interested but now it is time for more original stories to be told. JJ more or less confirms that Episodes VIII and IX will be more original.

If anything Poe’s story is more similar to Rey’s. Poe is the one who puts the information in a droid. Poe is the one who get’s captured shortly there after. Poe is also interrogated but difference is that he gave in to Kylo’s mind probing. And Poe is the one is is broken out of captivity. Also unlike Leia Rey is actually interrogated about the mcguffin.

😄 50/50 then, I guess. If like J.J. said TFA’s mirroring are scene related rather than character related (like the PT), then I guess it doesn’t need to work specifically to a certain character, so I think it makes sense.

I wouldn’t say 50/50 in Rey’s case but I could say that for Poe. The only thing the two have in common is that they both resist the torture/interrogation of our main baddie. But how they were captured, when they were captured and interrogated, what they were interrogated for and how they escaped were totally different.

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Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Georgie is no stranger to retreads. It’s hilarious how some people are now retroactively considering the other Star Wars movies “original,” prequels especially.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a Lucas made Episode VII was just as much a SW “rip-off” as TFA. TPM already kind of was.

Read this and was like “Oh boy, here we go again.”

The entire argument is one big retread.

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This argument is ripping off the arguments from all the orther TFA threads. At least the pre-TFA arguments here were original.

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Frank your Majesty said:

This argument is ripping off the arguments from all the orther TFA threads. At least the pre-TFA arguments here were original.

I HAVE THE BEST ARGUMENTS

EVERYONE I ARGUE WITH SAYS SO

I ARGUED WITH JJ ONCE AND HE MADE SUPER 8 AS AN APOLOGY TO ME

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Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
I see what he means. It makes sense for the audiance, but otherwise there’s no in-universe explaination (which I dislike).

There wasn’t any in the PT. As in it being specifically stated that history is bound to repeat itself.

What I mean is I think in the big picture there’s artistically a lot of difference between making a point on two different main characters (revealing why in-universe Vader had a robotic hand like Luke in ROTJ, why they’re supposed to be alike) by only mirroring Luke’s major plot points and loosely (is trained to become a jedi, destroys a space ship, loses his hand, confronts Palpatine), and mirroring (actually “borrowing”, as J.J. said) to make the movie more familiar to the audiance. To me it just doesn’t work in the big picture, it’s a decision that lacks any sort of artistic vision, doesn’t add anything to the plot or the characters, it feels like borrowing just for the sake of it.

I wouldn’t say 50/50 in Rey’s case but I could say that for Poe. The only thing the two have in common is that they both resist the torture/interrogation of our main baddie. But how they were captured, when they were captured and interrogated, what they were interrogated for and how they escaped were totally different.

Poe giving the data to bb8 and being captured, as well as Rey being brought to SKB and being interrogated while the other main characters get into the prison to save her, they both clearly borrow from Leia in ANH, that was my point. Their scenes (visual references aside) play differently, yet share the same plot points, so it’s still “borrowing” as J.J. said.

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Vader’s robotic hand is just a visual reference to show the similarities with Luke. Showing how he got a robotic hand is absolutely pointless, especially since he fell into a volcano and half his body was replaced with robotic parts. For Jedi, having this reference makes sense, because Vader is a very different character from Luke, so visual similarities are the only thing the audience can connect to in the short time of this scene. Similarities between Anakin and Luke in the PT should have been handled by showing how their characters are alike, not by having the same robotic hand. However, the PT failed to establish a copelling character, so we constantly need to be reminded how Anakin resembles Luke through his look and teh situations he’s in.
I think it would have even been a better idea to have Luke’s and Anakins characters be even more alike and instead of showing how differently they react in the same situation, let basically the same guy go through very different situations to show that even a good person can turn evil. Like it is now, you have Luke in Situation A acting good and then you see how Anakin was making a bad decision in a similar situation. This only shows how different the two are, which is the opposite of what Jedi was aiming to do.

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