John Doom said:
😄 Exactly what I said: the difference lies in the fact they’re still on the planet, so you have the Falcon Rey doing maneuvers to the avade the TIE. Compared to what was done in the PT (in AOTC/TESB’s asteroid chase sequence, for example, where only the setting was shared, but what happend was different) there are so many visual references 75% of the scene plays the same as in ANH, it’s a fact.
You’re still ignoring the fact that the setting makes the actions of the people in play out very differently. If the Falcon had been doing any maneuvers and shit you’d be right. The stuff that actually happens in the scenes are far from similar. Answer these questions:
Did the Chewie almost crash the Falcon before the chase began?
Did the Falcon bob and weave among other maneuvers to escape and/or destroy the TIEs?
Did Chewie fly into any structures to avoid a TIE Fighter?
Did one of the canon/s get shot making it unable to move?
Did the last TIE Fighter get destroyed due to the pilot maneuvering The Falcon in such a position so that the canon (while stuck) can get a perfect shot?
There are much more references, watch it here. It’s a clear remake, minus the fact they’re on the planet.
A lot of these are visual nods though. Some of which would be impossible to make look distinct from SW. Again the questions I posed are the key to all of this.
The PT has a solid reason to make Anakin’s journey mirror Luke’s
Because Lucas. That’s what this is all about when we get down to it. People are fine when Lucas takes stuff from Flash Gordan, Akira Kurosawa films (both in SW and TPM), Dam Busters etc. and even when he does it to himself. It’s just written off as paying homage and in the PT’s case…poetry but when JJ does it it’s considering ripping off.
but can you tell me what character mirrors who in the OT and for what reason?
Qui-Gon is supposed to mirror Obi-Wan (at least from a plot perspective)
Padme is supposed to mirror Leia due to her being a damsel at first but who is established to be more capable and is the love interest of the PT
Anakin is supposed to mirror Luke in some respects to both character and their journey
The only reason I can conjure up is that maybe it’s supposed to mean that history repeats itself or something like that…
I disagree.
And you’re definitely entitled to do so 😄
Similitarities with who or what and why?
To Luke I guess and the reason being the whole history repeating itself thing. They seem to be mirroring Rey’s journey less than Luke’s so I hope they go in a completely different direction from here on out.
It all comes down to the reason one would mirror two characters or situations.
I disagree. In terms of the conversation I think the things that happen in the scenes matter more than the intent or even the outcome of such scenes.
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John Doom said:
It’s not because they’re both female, it’s because Rey being captured and interrogated on the SKB heavily “mirrors” Leia’s experience in ANH. As for why it mirrors, I’d like to ask J.J. this myself 😄
So Rey was aboard a ship with the stolen SKB plans and was stunned by a Storm Trooper after putting the information in a droid and then is interrogated with a mind probe droid so that the First Order could ascertain the location of The Resistance base to only be rescued later on in the film by one of our main characters masquerading as a Storm Trooper? I guess I need to watch the film again…