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Who else wishes there were more serious cartoon films in theaters? I know it was tried with Titan AE, but that film wasn't really all that great. It was worth a rental maybe, IMO, but other than that, every cartoon film I can think of in the last few years has been family or just for kids... (Home on the Range, Spongebob)

I guess it all goes back to the preconception that cartoons are only for kids unless they're full of perverted humor and swearing.

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I wish there were more serious theatrically released animated films as well, but it wouldn't happen in america because the average(the majority) american adult is under the notion that they are only for kids(which includes adults who haven't seen anime or think all anime consists of is some odd sort of porn or Yu-gi-oh).
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I can't believe I forgot about Yugioh!

Techincally that wasn't even anime since it was made specifically for American theateres.

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But its what the average american sees as anime, and as long as that continues we cannot have a serious animated film in theaters, anime or otherwise.
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I have very fond memories of watching "Tiny Toons", "Taz-Mania", "Batman: The Animated Series 1" (1992-1995) and the X-Men animated series that ran on Fox in the early 90s around the same time as the first Batman series (the 2nd one, subtitled "Gotham Knights" did not appeal to me as much). I also have a fondness for "Superman: The Animated Series" (despite the change in animation styles that resulted in Superman looking like he was carved from a block of wood) and when I can I watch "Justice League" (even though for every good episode there's a crappy one to go with it and the animation, essentially a brighter take on the animation of Superman's animated series, still pales when compared to the animation of B:TAS 1). The old GI Joe, Transformers, Thundercats and He-Man shows also hold a warm place in my heart.

From the anime ring I've enjoyed Dominion: Tank Police, Slayers, Gunsmith Cats, Riding Bean and Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040.

Shows I couldn't stand, well... I was not particularly fond of the Spider-Man series that aired on Fox in 1994. I mean seriously, Madam Web, what kind of crack were they smoking when they thought her up and that ridiculous plotline with Spider-Man saving all these multiple realities?

I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

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It's too bad that Marvel doesn't focus on making a killer Spiderman Cartoon in the vein of Batman TAS.

Maybe once the movies are finished..

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I dunno if they can pull something like that off, Spiderman just isn't as serious as Batman.
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I didn't mean as serious as the Batman cartoon; I just meant along the same animation and story quality.

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Meh... There was a cartoon run briefly on MTV supposedly set in the movie universe (The Lizzard died yet the professor who tranforms into him was a main character in the second movie)... It wasn't really canon and had Spiderman doing really unspiderman like things, like swearing and acting like an MTV generation kid. Again Meh.

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Yeah, I've seen it a few times, they might as well have had that version of "Peter Parker" hosting TRL because he sure as hell isn't the Peter Parker thats behind the Spiderman mask.

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*nods* He would look more comfortable in the presence of Marshall Mather while the "real" Peter Parker would get along better with George McFly.

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"Batman: The Animated Series" raised the bar for animated shows and the 1994 "Spider-Man" series lowered it.

Haven't seen that CGI Spider-Man show.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

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I just don't understand why the animation quality in 1994 Spiderman was so low. It was two years after the premier of Batman TAS and the animation was so inferior that it looks like an early eighties carton.




BTW, I enourage you all to checkout the new cartoon Avatar: The Last Airbender. Definitely, from the premiere, one of Nick's most promising new shows.

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Chaltab there's this thing called budget...
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Budget? On the Spiderman cartoon?

That still only partially answers the question; Spiderman is arguably the most popular of all superheroes, so why would Marvel/Fox limit it's budget so much? Makes no sense, especially in the post-BatmanTAS era when people expected great animation.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Budget? On the Spiderman cartoon?

That still only partially answers the question; Spiderman is arguably the most popular of all superheroes, so why would Marvel/Fox limit it's budget so much? Makes no sense, especially in the post-BatmanTAS era when people expected great animation.


Oh so many factors could influence on the quality of a cartoon... Was it animated in Asia (except japan) like some cartoons are, or in america? Who produced it? What was the timeslot? Who were the sponsors? Was a toy/videogame company backing it up so it could profit on the franchise, as it happens with 90% of american cartoons? How much were they willing to spend? Who produced it? How many episoed were initially planned? How well did the pilot or the test audience preview go? What were the producers aiming for, in a visual aspect?
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Whatever the reason, the 1994 Spider-Man series was a turkey. Even Superman's 1996 animated series came across better, and the animation on that show left Superman looking like a block figure with little black dots for eyes.

I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

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What I want to know is: Why bother with the CGI webslinging bacgrounds if you're going to turn around and make the animation 5 frames a second?

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I NOW WATCH SMURFS EVERY MORNING BEFORE I GO TO SCHOOL DO THAT.
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Simple reason for why the Batman and Superman series looked far superior to the '94 Spiderman: Paul Dini and Bruce Timm, who also went on to do Batman Beyond. The visual style they had was far superior to anything Marvel's DIC-produced cartoon could muster. Style can go a long way in making even a limited animation series (done on fours rather than twos) look superior. Recent examples of this include Dexter's Laboratory, The Powerpuff Girls, Samurai Jack and Clone Wars, which all share one common denominator: Genndy Tartakovsky.

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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Simple reason for why the Batman and Superman series looked far superior to the '94 Spiderman: Paul Dini and Bruce Timm, who also went on to do Batman Beyond. The visual style they had was far superior to anything Marvel's DIC-produced cartoon could muster. Style can go a long way in making even a limited animation series (done on fours rather than twos) look superior. Recent examples of this include Dexter's Laboratory, The Powerpuff Girls, Samurai Jack and Clone Wars, which all share one common denominator: Genndy Tartakovsky.


Unfortunately, he was also responsible for the pain-inducing "My Life as a Teenage Robot"

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