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Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

Kids don’t have the same ability of adults to cope with it though.

Kids as in ages 7-14 sure but anyone who is over 14 or 15 should not be phased by online teasing.

Because every kid’s emotional/intellectual development occurs at the exact same time as everyone else.

I’m just glad the internet wasn’t a thing when I was a kid. The most high tech thing bullies could exploit was a telephone.

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SilverWook said:

I’m just glad the internet wasn’t a thing when I was a kid. The most high tech thing bullies could exploit was a telephone.

As we saw in the 1996 film Scream, cell phones led to some intense bullying.

In all seriousness, I’m glad I didn’t go through middle school with the internet too. Even telephones could be shut down pretty quick since a parent would usually overhear, or even answer the phone.

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SilverWook said:

Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

Kids don’t have the same ability of adults to cope with it though.

Kids as in ages 7-14 sure but anyone who is over 14 or 15 should not be phased by online teasing.

Because every kid’s emotional/intellectual development occurs at the exact same time as everyone else.

That’s why I gave a 2 year gap for the people who are “slow to evolve” so to speak. Regardless of that shit, getting depressed/suicidal or violent over teasing on the internet is an overreaction for any teenager. Maybe I’m projecting but I was teased and bullied for this or that reason even by my Father until I was like 17 and I never got violent or depressed as a result. And these things happened in real life so from my point of view cyber bullying really ain’t shit.

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Bullying of any kind is wrong and sad and should always be condemned, but it will never ever go away. Thus, reaching kids to cope should be more important than teaching kids to stop bullying.

Of course we should still teach that it is wrong, but it will never go away.

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This thread makes me think of the episode from Disney Channel’s 90s show “Adventures in Wonderland” where Gilbert Gottfried played a bully who would throw pies in the March Hare’s face and we learn that he’s coming back to town on the train and the whole episode is like an homage to “High Noon”. Seriously Disney needs to get their shit together and give that show a home release.

Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.

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Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

Kids don’t have the same ability of adults to cope with it though.

Kids as in ages 7-14 sure but anyone who is over 14 or 15 should not be phased by online teasing.

Because every kid’s emotional/intellectual development occurs at the exact same time as everyone else.

That’s why I gave a 2 year gap for the people who are “slow to evolve” so to speak. Regardless of that shit, getting depressed/suicidal or violent over teasing on the internet is an overreaction for any teenager. Maybe I’m projecting but I was teased and bullied for this or that reason even by my Father until I was like 17 and I never got violent or depressed as a result. And these things happened in real life so from my point of view cyber bullying really ain’t shit.

Every person reacts to such things differently. Not everyone has a support system in the form of a friend or loved one to counteract the negative stuff. And kids today have never known a world without internet and smart phones. It is real life to them.

Would you shrug off a death threat sent over the internet? People don’t do the note tied to a rock through the window thing these days.

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Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

Kids don’t have the same ability of adults to cope with it though.

Kids as in ages 7-14 sure but anyone who is over 14 or 15 should not be phased by online teasing.

THIS IS A RIDICULOUSLY NARROW VIEW OF THE WORLD

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Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

Kids don’t have the same ability of adults to cope with it though.

Kids as in ages 7-14 sure but anyone who is over 14 or 15 should not be phased by online teasing.

Because every kid’s emotional/intellectual development occurs at the exact same time as everyone else.

That’s why I gave a 2 year gap for the people who are “slow to evolve” so to speak. Regardless of that shit, getting depressed/suicidal or violent over teasing on the internet is an overreaction for any teenager. Maybe I’m projecting but I was teased and bullied for this or that reason even by my Father until I was like 17 and I never got violent or depressed as a result. And these things happened in real life so from my point of view cyber bullying really ain’t shit.

YOUR VIEW IS SHIT

YOU ARE PROJECTING

NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU

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If Frink’s a bully, he’s a very particular kind. A kind that’s pretty rare actually.

I mean he’s maybe like a bit of a crusading bully. The kind who sees something that looks wrong and so takes it upon himself to fix it by driving the person away who’s committed the wrong. Sort of like a sheepdog chasing away the wolves. Now I don’t know if he really wants to be mean about it. Or if maybe he’s just not that sensitive. Or if maybe he figures there’s no soft way to do it. Or if he really doesn’t think some kinds of people feel pain. Or if maybe he just has a narrow sense of humor that really thinks it’s ok to stamp on a guy’s hand and they’ll both laugh together–and let’s face it, some do laugh. I know probably wouldn’t get too sore about it.

So sort of. Yeah. I guess I would have to call him a bully. But he’s the kind of bully I wouldn’t have a problem talking with. He’s not the kind I’d worry would really do me any harm or get sadistic happiness out of doing that. He’s just the type who’s maybe idealistic enough to not realize that there are real people behind the avatars he sometimes mocks. Or maybe I’m the idealistic one thinking everyone has feelings when maybe they don’t. I don’t know.

But sometimes I think maybe it’s like having a tame troll who’s sort of on our side most of the time?

One that does seem to get a kick out of making some people feel stupid and/or not liked, but only if they do something to ‘deserve it’ first? Now this is tough for me to say because he’s never picked on me personally. So I sort of feel like I’m kicking him when he hasn’t done the same to me. So that’s not really fair. But at the same time I also strangely think Frink’s fair at taking criticism. So that’s why I sort of think he’ll understand what I’m saying. Like I say, if he’s a bully, he’s a very particular kind.

Peace.

-Trident

K. Let’s have this ride.

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Trident said:

If Frink’s a bully, he’s a very particular kind. A kind that’s pretty rare actually.

I mean he’s maybe like a bit of a crusading bully. The kind who sees something that looks wrong and so takes it upon himself to fix it by driving the person away who’s committed the wrong. Sort of like a sheepdog chasing away the wolves. Now I don’t know if he really wants to be mean about it. Or if maybe he’s just not that sensitive. Or if maybe he figures there’s no soft way to do it. Or if he really doesn’t think some kinds of people feel pain. Or if maybe he just has a narrow sense of humor that really thinks it’s ok to stamp on a guy’s hand and they’ll both laugh together–and let’s face it, some do laugh. I know probably wouldn’t get too sore about it.

So sort of. Yeah. I guess I would have to call him a bully. But he’s the kind of bully I wouldn’t have a problem talking with. He’s not the kind I’d worry would really do me any harm or get sadistic happiness out of doing that. He’s just the type who’s maybe idealistic enough to not realize that there are real people behind the avatars he sometimes mocks. Or maybe I’m the idealistic one thinking everyone has feelings when maybe they don’t. I don’t know.

But sometimes I think maybe it’s like having a tame troll who’s sort of on our side most of the time?

One that does seem to get a kick out of making some people feel stupid and/or not liked, but only if they do something to ‘deserve it’ first? Now this is tough for me to say because he’s never picked on me personally. So I sort of feel like I’m kicking him when he hasn’t done the same to me. So that’s not really fair. But at the same time I also strangely think Frink’s fair at taking criticism. So that’s why I sort of think he’ll understand what I’m saying. Like I say, if he’s a bully, he’s a very particular kind.

Peace.

-Trident

Apt.

Thanks,

-Tyr1

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Bullying of any kind is wrong and sad and should always be condemned, but it will never ever go away. Thus, reaching kids to cope should be more important than teaching kids to stop bullying.

as a victim a bullying when I was growing up, I have to strongly disagree here. Yes, teach kids to cope. But it is not more important than teaching kids to stop bullying. YOU NEED TO DO BOTH. When I was being bullied, the focus always seemed to be on correctly my reaction to the bullies rather than correcting the bullies themselves. Instead of going after the bullies they kept telling me to “just ignore them and they will stop”. This always had the effect of making me feel like it was my fault rather than the bullies. It is like blaming the rape on way the victim dressed and where she was walking and at what time, rather than the rapist. Every time I couldn’t react to the bullies the everyone kept telling to react, I felt like I had failed. It only added to the low self esteem and other bad emotions I was feeling due to the bullying itself. I felt like such a loser because I couldn’t handle the bullies the way I was supposed, that the reason I was being bullied was because of me, rather than because the bullies were just jerks. I feel that was let down by my teachers, the school, and my parents. Yes try to teach the kids to cop with bullies, but also go after the bullies themselves. No, there is no way to totally stop bullying, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try hard as you can to stop them.

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You said one was more important than the other. I strongly disagree with that for the reasons I gave.

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Yes, kids do need to learn how to cope, but it is more important to teach kids not to be the bullies in the first place. I still hate the kids that beat the crap out of me in the football locker rooms for fun in middle school. For a while, I didn’t know how to cope, so I didn’t at all and just assumed that they were justified and I was worthless. I wish I’d have known how to cope, but I wouldn’t have that problem if the kids were taught how to be decent human beings and not beating up the kid that already had a broken arm (me). Either way, bullying sucks and I’ll stop whoring for attention.

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It’s also important to teach kids that a small number people are impossible to work with. Some will always be bullies until their wretched lives come to an end.

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The stop bullying campaign, while impossible to make completely successful, does kind of work though. All my years in school I was never once bullied and, while I can think of a some cases of bullying that I was aware of, there were never any “bullies” and people generally knew that beating other kids up wasn’t cool and making fun of other kids usually just got you in trouble.

Now cyber bulling, that’s a whole other thing. Don’t know how they’re dealing with that, I was getting out of school when that was just starting to pick up speed (and my high school had no idea how to control it).

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I think people are over-sensitive about cyber bullying. Everytime I watch some presentation about it, I see things that happen to me on the internet 5 times a day.

Someone on the internet calls you a “*************************” because you disagree with his opinion on the new Generic Shooter 16: Nuke Edition =/= Cyberbullying

That’s not to say it doesn’t exists, but those teachers, parents, whoever is making those anti-cyber bullying campaigns are targeting a completely wrong thing.

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HansiG said:

I think people are over-sensitive about cyber bullying. Everytime I watch some presentation about it, I see things that happen to me on the internet 5 times a day.

Someone on the internet calls you a “*************************” because you disagree with his opinion on the new Generic Shooter 16: Nuke Edition =/= Cyberbullying

That’s not to say it doesn’t exists, but those teachers, parents, whoever is making those anti-cyber bullying campaigns are targeting a completely wrong thing.

I think that’s the issue we face with any issue that arises due to technological advancement: there’s a period where we’re not sure how to handle it or what aspects of the issue to focus on.

People don’t take cyberbullying seriously often times because they think of someone flaming them for liking brie instead of Camembert which happens to basically everyone who becomes involved in any online community at some point in their online career (like I said in the Random Thought or Bitching thread, the anger is strong even on this tiny slice of the internet). Stuff like consistent emotional abuse or death threats or doxxing or brigading and SWATing or any of that stuff is pretty harmful. But efforts against online bullying aren’t focused enough just yet for it to be taken seriously as an actual issue (much like mental health in general).

The thing we old guard (and I’m not even old yet) may not realize, is that the filthy Millennials these days all grew up in a post-smartphone world, where being connected is just something that is. The majority of us here all grew up playing outside without our heads down staring at all of the data in the entire world in our hands. It’s easier for us to say “Hey just turn it off and go outside”, because we’re relics of a time when disconnecting was easy because we weren’t connected in the first place. Shit, even I find that hard to do sometimes.

A lot of kids these days get a Facebook account in middle school, and kids are shitty to one another. I mean at least people our age in school (I was homeschooled, but I can extrapolate) could go home and watch Voltron or some shit and not worry about bullies until the next day, but now kids are bullied at school and then go home to watch whatever goofy anime on their computer and the bullies are shooting them nasty messages on Facebook or something, and this is doubly worse for introverted people (like myself) who tend to find comfort online - when your comfort zone becomes hostile, where do you go then? War has changed, and disconnecting never occurs to them because they’ve always been hooked up to something, and god knows their parents (people our age) often have a tough time putting down the phone or the computer or whatever so they don’t learn to, either.

So it’s never really as easy as “stop people from bullying” or “make a safe space where people with dissenting opinions are banned” or “parent better” or even “just toughen up.” It’s kinda an amalgam of all of those things. Except the safe space one. That’s a ridiculous notion because the world can be a mean place and hiding from it does not serve you.

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