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Help Wanted: '2001: A Space Odyssey' - 35mm Preservation (original 1968 prints obtained) (* unfinished project *) — Page 3

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Maybe. It may be a case like Star Wars where stuff is so messed up color wise that you can’t change too much without changing other colors.

Interesting about the seams. I’ve never seen it projected in a proper theater, so seeing this will be the next best thing. 😃

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Would there be any visible difference between the 35mm and 70mm?

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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In theory, the 70mm would have less grain, as well as a possible different aspect ratio.

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We are doing well with the donations guys (and gals) - keep them coming! We’re almost 1/4 of the way to our total! 😃

Thanks so much all those who have contributed, and those who haven’t, rest assured that your donation is going to a great cause - this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, and even good condition prints (like mine) are going VS or otherwise breaking down… Now is the time!

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1/4 of the way? That’s hardly very far!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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its not bad for 5 contributors. but yes its just a start.

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Yeah, 1/4 for five contributors is great! True, 1/4 is still a long way from complete, but it’s better than no donations. 😃

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I’m glad to see things are moving along! I should be able to give around 5-10 dollars later today 😄.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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If necessary, I can chip in my weekly benefits until it’s all paid for.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Sounds great! Thanks in advance to you both - every bit helps! 😃

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I have a question. When the clean-up and such is hypothetically completed, Would it be possible to crop and regrade the BD image to conform to the print image, and then average them? This just occurred to me, and I thought if the outcome would be acceptable, those who prefer a finer image without as much generational grain could be pleased.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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I don’t see why not. I don’t think I would consider it a “canon” source, but for a regrade it might look pretty cool!

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What does “canon” mean in this case?

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Basically I think what Dek Rollins is proposing is kind of creating a simulation of the print, just using the BD as a source. In my opinion, that’s one of the great things about scanning/preservations in general - you are free to kind of “make your own” if the mood strikes you. However, I wager that Dek Rollins will be so impressed with the restoration that an additional version isn’t necessary. 😃

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Yeah, I wasn’t saying that I would prefer such a thing, but for people who would prefer a look closer to the negative it might be cool if possible.

And the main point of my proposal was pretty much doing the Legacy style thing you mentioned in the first post, only instead of using the second print (it is missing two reels, so it occurred to me that using it wouldn’t work out too well), use the BD and average the images like that.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Yeah, I knew what you meant - was just clarifying for those people who might have misunderstood. 😃

A bit of further clarification on what that second print will be used for - it will be used as the base for any patches/cleanup of the first print. For example, when you “scrub” or “clean” an area digitally, what the software does is just guess/approximate what should go it that spot. Cool, but not really “preserving” - more of a “recreation” than anything else. What I will be doing with that second print (with any luck) is using them in layers - the first print representing the virtual “top” or “front” of what I’m seeing and the second print as the virtual “bottom” or “back”. If there’s a scratch or a piece of dust on the first print, when I click the button to hand-scrub it, instead of approximating what should be there the software will use data from the next print. This is working off the assumption that while there might be a piece of dirt on one part of the frame on the first print, the odds of a piece of dirt being on the exact same part of the frame of the second print are infinitesimally small. You make a good point about missing reels, but my hope is that the missing reels are not spots where we will have a lot of dirt, or if there is, that we can find some other ways to clean it. I may have a line on some home-made software that will help out quite a bit…

In other news, donations keep rolling in, and I’ve updated the first post. Thanks to all those who have pledged, and thanks in advance for any donations coming from now on! Will continue to keep all posted. We may have some moderately exciting news at the end of next week, as well as some super cool samples! 😃

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Not yet - I can’t wait though!!

By the way, still need funding - if you are thinking of donating it would be greatly appreciated!

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ww12345 said:

Here we go… 😃

Stereo fold-down from a preliminary audio test. I can’t wait to hear all four tracks and do a proper “reconstruction”!

https://we.tl/bzxOK3QTNE

I saw this was here yesterday, but didn’t have a chance to check it out until now…

Wow, it sounds fantastic. I can’t wait for more progress!

And to you passersby, give a little bit.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Interesting link connection …

2001:ASO contributions-help thread ---->

Give A Little Bit . . (song by Supertramp) ---->

Superman The Movie . . (song plays on Lois’s car radio) ---->

ape, man, superman . . (Thus Spoke Zarathustra, philosophical novel by Friedrich Nietzsche) ---->

opening music to movie 2001: A Space Odyssey . . (Thus Spoke Zarathustra fanfare, by Richard Strauss) ---->

mind blown . .
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Thanks Dek! Also, crazy theory SpacedRanger… mind=blown!

So, I got some footage from our scanner of the second print, and the results aren’t exactly what I expected. All of the color seems drained out of the film, in ways I’ve never seen before. Usually, when Eastman film fades, it fades from the blue channel first, followed by the yellow channel. This leaves the pinkish/red tint you usually see with films. However, this film seems to have faded in a uniform way, fading the blue, yellow, and red colors at the same level. This will require some in-depth work, hopefully utilizing the color restoration tool DrDre created. Also, I’m hoping my print (the complete print) will have a little more color or that we will be able to use DrDre’s tool to correct the colors better than our traditional ways (manually).

In other news though, the scanner does need some of the funds for the scanning, so if you have any extra cash lying around, it would be greatly appreciated. Also, those of you who donated, PM me for some cool links (stuff too cool to post here!).

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ww12345 said:

Also, those of you who donated, PM me for some cool links (stuff too cool to post here!).

PM sent.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.