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And if you’re so damned determined to offer us every frame of Fantasia, Disney, offer us EVERY frame!
(Yes - I’m talking about the Pastoral…)
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features — Page 37
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All that matters to me is that Fantasia is completely unavailable in its original version. Unless, by some sort of miracle, we find a pre-1969 print.
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Apparently, the UK version of the Fantasia 60th Anniversary DVD has Deems Taylor’s dialogue from the 1991 video version. Can anyone clarify if that’s correct?
This from about 2 years ago – hope the inference helps:
Spaced Ranger said on 20-Jul-2014:
Doctor M said:
Fantasia (1940): … The laserdiscs were the last release to still have the Deems Taylor’s narrations.
DVD and BD (2000 and 2010) have the restored runtime, but with new narration by Corey Burton. …
Purist recommendation: 2001 60th Anniversary DVD (also available as a 2000 Fantasia/Fantasia 2000 box). …
Ultra Purist recommendation: If you want Deems Taylor you’ll want the shorter running laserdisc.
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasia_(1940_film):
Fantasia has received three home video releases. The first, featuring the 1990 restored theatrical version, was released on VHS and laser disc on November 1, 1991 as part of the “Walt Disney Classics” line. … This version was also released as a DVD in 2000, outside of the U.S. … [emphasis mine]Would this indicate that the non-Region-1 2000 DVD, with original Stokowski score and Taylor narration (besides it being on digital media, but not knowing included extras) would be a preferred recommendation over the laserdisc?
@Spaced Ranger - That’s the first I’ve heard of a DVD release with Deems Taylor. I’ll update the first page, but has anyone here actually seen the ‘outside the U.S.’ release?
I have a Greek PAL DVD of Fantasia under Walt Disney Classics banner, but it doesn’t have Deems Taylor narration!
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I’ll have to get a copy of the DVD and check.
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
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I’m trying to decide what to do about this guide now. Some minor clean up is one thing, even the occasional odd color choice (since older transfers have probably discolored worse), but when you remove all signs that these films were painted on cells and photographed to film, then what are they?
A state of mind, perhaps…?
If it’s any help, I’ve dug up auctions for 16mm prints of Snow White, Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan. Well, I say auctions… only Snow White is, actually, the other two are Buy-It-Now. Also, I have some Super 8 prints which I’ll try to scan as soon as I get the proper equipment… which may take some considerable time.
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
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Here’s my recent restoration comparison to the Winnie the Pooh shorts “The Honey Tree” and “The Blustery Day”
Versions Compared:
-1981 (“The Many Adventures”; original VHS/laserdisc)
-1986 (“Honey Tree” and “Blustery Day”; original VHS/laserdisc + 1990 Mini Classics VHS)
-1993 (“Honey Tree” and “Blustery Day”; Mini-Classics VHS re-release + 1994-2000 Storybook Classics VHS)
-1996 (“The Many Adventures”; Special Commemorative Edition VHS/laserdisc)
-2002 (“The Many Adventures”; 25th Anniversary Edition VHS/DVD)
-2013 (“The Many Adventures”; DVD/Blu-Ray remaster, cropped into widescreen)
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All that matters to me is that Fantasia is completely unavailable in its original version. Unless, by some sort of miracle, we find a pre-1969 print.
Here you are:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fantasia/id/17872
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Bloody hell! Is that still going onward?!
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
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Bloody hell! Is that still going onward?!
Don’t know what has happened with the project.
just look at the last posts in that thread.
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The Blu-ray is 1.66:1
The red line is the video/TV/DVD framing, the cyan line is the 1.66:1 framing on the Blu-ray (ignore Tigger’s tail, they’re different frames). The grey area represents the 4:3 frame that would have to be filled out to accommodate the width of the 1.66:1 framing, note that that doesn’t mean that the 4:3 version isn’t hitting the top or bottom of the open matte, it’s just a centered guess.
Here is a section of TFatH that uses a completely different matting than the problematic one from earlier in the film:
I actually found a few rare open matte fullscreen clips of the 2013 Blu-Ray master for “The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh”, as seen here.
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DoctorM do you know if the Hercules DVDs you mention are transfers of a film print/negative?
I found the Gold Colection pocahontas DVD which is the version I will be watching because it has film grain, and I love grain even in CAPS animation.
It gives life to the film (compared to the flat digital look) and also ties all elements (hand-drawn and CGI) together.
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DoctorM do you know if the Hercules DVDs you mention are transfers of a film print/negative?
I found the Gold Colection pocahontas DVD which is the version I will be watching because it has film grain, and I love grain even in CAPS animation.
It gives life to the film (compared to the flat digital look) and also ties all elements (hand-drawn and CGI) together.
I’m afraid I don’t know about Hercules.
A good source to check for details on different versions is DVDizzy (formerly UltimateDisney.com): http://www.dvdizzy.com/disneyanimatedclassics.html
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The only Disney movies I would like to see purist versions of are Jungle Book, Many Adventure of WTP, and Toy Story. I was never a Disney baby, but I do have fond memories of these in particular as a child.
she/her
mwah
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DoctorM do you know if the Hercules DVDs you mention are transfers of a film print/negative?
I found the Gold Colection pocahontas DVD which is the version I will be watching because it has film grain, and I love grain even in CAPS animation.
It gives life to the film (compared to the flat digital look) and also ties all elements (hand-drawn and CGI) together.I’m afraid I don’t know about Hercules.
A good source to check for details on different versions is DVDizzy (formerly UltimateDisney.com): http://www.dvdizzy.com/disneyanimatedclassics.html
Yes, I know about this.
But the reviewer says this:
“I didn’t notice any problems as far as grain, smudges, or print defects of any kind.”
i don’t understand if he considers grain a problem and this DVD doesn’t have grain, or if the DVD has grain and isn’t presented with any problems.
He doesn’t say where the transfer is sourced from.
Unless the mention of “print defects” implies that this is sourced from a print.
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Hello,
does anyone know are DVD editions of these Disney’s classics have new transfer/restoration:
*Pocahontas 2012 DVD
*Mulan 2013 DVD
*Peter Pan 2013 DVD
*The Jungle Book 2014 DVD
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Hello,
does anyone know are DVD editions of these Disney’s classics have new transfer/restoration:
*Pocahontas 2012 DVD
*Mulan 2013 DVD
*Peter Pan 2013 DVD
*The Jungle Book 2014 DVD
I know “The Jungle Book” definitely has the same cropped widescreen transfer from the 2007 Platinum Edition. I don’t know about the others.
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This is largely in the first post, but:
Hello,
does anyone know are DVD editions of these Disney’s classics have new transfer/restoration:
*Pocahontas 2012 DVD
Sames as the 2012 BD transfer. If you’re going to go with DVD, I’d take the 2005 version. Both versions are direct copies off Disney’s digital CAPS system, but the 2005 has an extended song that was cut late in production AFTER test audience saw it.
It’s not a newly animated scene like some of the other added songs Disney has put in to their features.
I feel it’s an improvement over the theatrical version.
So 2005 DVD or 2012 BD depending on which cut you want.
*Mulan 2013 DVD
Again, a digital transfer from their computers. Just avoid the early Gold Edition DVD which was non-animorphic 1.85:1.
Otherwise 2004 DVD or 2013 BD/DVD are about the same. The BD would be best because it’s HD, but if you go DVD you’ll likely get better extras from the 2004 DVD without sacrificing any quality from the movie.
*Peter Pan 2013 DVD
Read the first post on this one. Peter Pan is complicated. I feel the 2013 transfer is poor like most of the scrubbed and ‘restored’ discs from Disney. It’s not as poor as the Platinum Edition though.
I favor the 2002 Special Edition myself, but that’s me and it may be overly cold hued and edge enhance-y for other people.
*The Jungle Book 2014 DVD
I just noticed that the Recommended and Acceptable Alternatives should probably be reversed… I can’t recall why I made the decision I did there since the intended aspect ratio was 1.75:1.
My first post hasn’t updated in awhile. That’s mostly because new films are direct digital transfers and therefore perfect, and older films are just getting treated worse and worse, so there is little point mentioning them as useful releases.
The Jungle Book is another example of this. From Blu-ray.com:
“…a bit too polished and glossy for its own good. It’s by no means a failure, and nowhere near the disaster that is the Blu-ray release of The Sword in the Stone. The telltale signs of noise reduction are present, they’re just far less glaring and debilitating; almost, almost to the point of being somewhat easy to overlook. Grain has been scrubbed away in its entirety…”
Assuming the DVD is the same master as the BD (which isn’t always true), I wouldn’t recommend it.
And on another note, I wanted to post a couple pics of Mickey’s Christmas Carol. This has been on DVD many times, but only ONCE in its original intended aspect ratio of 1.66:1 on Mickey Mouse in Living Color Vol. 2. The BD is cropped to 1.77:1. The BD was also scrubbed within an inch of its life. I’ve upscaled the DVD to the exact dimensions of the BD so you can see what Disney has done to it.
BD
http://i.imgbox.com/acsSoUSC.png
DVD (upscaled):
http://i.imgbox.com/m62cFvrs.jpg
DVD (original frame):
http://i.imgbox.com/RN5tjSwK.jpg
(Sorry, I can’t remember how to post pictures here anymore.)
Sure the DVD is blocky from being upscaled, but how is it that the DVD STILL seems to have more detail?
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Thank you very much!
I asked for Mulan and Pocahontas coz I found somewhere that European DVDs have better quality of video.
for example Mulan (compare USA SE with UK SE/Australia SE)
http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/writings/dvdimage-mulan.html
I wondered if there are some changes in new DVD editions of those movies.
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I’ve noticed that imgshack has yanked a lot of pictures including my links, and everyone else’s comparing the Diamond/blu-ray to the old DVDs of Peter Pan.
I recall the colors were off, but not as bad as the Platinum Edition. Does anyone still have screenshot comparisons squirreled away somewhere that they can share?
I wanted to see how the Diamond Edition holds up to the 2002 disc again. (Also sort of wondering about doing a color correction, unless someone is already working on that.)
Finally, does anyone know what animation special effect was used to generate the pixie dust hand prints that are on the first laserdisc but missing from all subsequent home releases?
Dr. M
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As a substitute, this Home Theater Forum 7-page thread comparison, sans-Blu(2013), may help:
HT forum - Chuck Pennington wrote:
Well, here are screenshots from the 2007 PETER PAN SE compared to the … 1991 Laserdisc, 1997 Laserdisc/1999 “Limited Issue” DVD [same transfer], 2002 SE DVD, and now the 2007 SE DVD.
As the 1st page was HTML-scrambled (some link-texts showing instead of pictures), I’ll just fix it here:
1991 Laserdisc
1997 Laserdisc / 1999 Limited Issue DVD
2002 SE DVD
2007 SE DVD
1991 Laserdisc
1997 Laserdisc / 1999 Limited Issue DVD
2002 SE DVD
2007 SE DVD
1991 Laserdisc
1997 Laserdisc / 1999 Limited Issue DVD
2002 SE DVD
2007 SE DVD
1991 Laserdisc
1997 Laserdisc / 1999 Limited Issue DVD
2002 SE DVD
2007 SE DVD
1991 Laserdisc
1997 Laserdisc / 1999 Limited Issue DVD
2002 SE DVD
2007 SE DVD
1991 Laserdisc
1997 Laserdisc / 1999 Limited Issue DVD
2002 SE DVD
2007 SE DVD
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I have a link to a file containing those screenshots on the first post. It’s the Diamond edition I was hoping to get some shots from.
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I have a link to a file containing those screenshots on the first post. It’s the Diamond edition I was hoping to get some shots from.
Apparently, all of Chuck Pennington’s (a.k.a drsd2kill’s) laserdisc/DVD comparison screencaps of “Dumbo” have been converted to black and white 😦
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It’s the Diamond edition I was hoping to get some shots from.
Ah … well, as for posted comparisons, I only found one that included the Diamond Edition:
But if you don’t mind trying to match your own scenes/shots, Blu-ray.com the Blu-ray review site, has a bunch for your consideration. 😃
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Here is a link to the screenshots listed from the Diamond Edition Blu-Ray
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Here is a link to the screenshots listed from the Diamond Edition Blu-Ray
Pretty sure those are Platinum Edition screenies.
Dr. M