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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I did, but until I did, the question was valid. BTW, Day Another Die wasn't that bad really. If they just tookout everything related to Jinks, Miranda Frost, and that white guy who used to be asian...


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Both "Diamonds Are Forever" and "Die Another Day" have surprise plot twists that focus on bizarre, quickly made plastic surgeries to change identities, yet "Diamonds" is good (yet cheesy), and "Die Another Day" is... well, crap.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Bond in genral shouldn't have had so many sequels. How many bullets can one guy dodge?

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
They should wait 5 years then make a new bond movie, much darker, less gadgets (in Dr.No he had his watler PPK and that was it - I'm thinking we still have gadgets, but keep it to a minimum, and no invisible cars). Bond should be in his mid to late 30s. Something happens and MI5 gets fucked up, lots of people, including M, dead. Bond goes into hiding. He meets Q (a new Q, not R or any other shit and not John Cleese) secretly and Q kits him out with all that he could manage to get hold of - a few guns and gadgets. Bond then goes about getting the people who done this and saving the world. The Bond music can stay, but that's about it. We need to go back to a Dalton style Bond. The Dalton movies did have humour, despite what some people say (what about the bit where he parachutes onto the girl's boat, shouts 'nothing to declare' as he bobsleighs over the border on a double bass? - that was bond humour, not all this Brosnan era 'Cunning luinguist' crap). They should also cast an unknown. And Irvin Kershner should direct (Never say never again may be unofficial, but it's one of the 5 best in my opinion).


You hit the nail on the head.
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Interestingly, this is part of the direction both Brosnan and Dalton wanted to take the franchise, but the Broccoli's aways dork towards the gadgets after one attempted "return to form." They're more concerned with preserving the formula than actually going somewhere with the franchise.

If I could only get the Broccoli's to return my calls and read my treatment I could actually fix a lot of what has come unglued in the franchise. But that's just wishful thinking.

Meanwhile, I'm not holding my breath that they're going to improve the franchise in the next outing. But I'll probably still enjoy the film as decent popcorn-munching fare.

The obligatory list, fave to least fave:

Goldfinger (Is there any other choice?)
From Russia With Love
Thunderball
Tomorrow Never Dies (best-developed and best-cast female characters in the entire series)
Goldeneye (best chase ever!)
For Your Eyes Only
Licence to Kill (best reference to his dead wife)
Dr. No
You Only Live Twice
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Best ending ever ... if only Connery had done this one, what a movie it would have been).
The Man With The Golden Gun (Best villian ever, worst henchman ever)
The Spy Who Loved Me (great movie, awful soundtrack)
The Living Daylights (ditto. Ah-Hah? WTF were they thinking???)
Never Say Never Again (I do count this one)
Diamonds Are Forever (Redheads are forever!)
Octopussy
Die Another Day
A View To A Kill
The World Is Not Enough (Denise Richards singlehandedly ruins what could have been a perfect Bond film)
Moonraker (Did they even READ the book?)
Live and Let Die (Bond is NOT Shaft!)
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Maybe we should start a new thread for bond, since I've pretty much exhausted all the caring I ever had for the series here. Sometimes I wonder how much preferring the old Bond films is based on how good they actually were and how much is nostalgia.

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Well, when I started out I had already seen all of the new ones and worked my way backwards. So if I was going to feel nostalgia it'd probably be for the Brosnan ones(none of the forum members here that I know of were even born when the first, what, 4 came out?)
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They should wait 5 years then make a new bond movie, much darker, less gadgets (in Dr.No he had his watler PPK and that was it - I'm thinking we still have gadgets, but keep it to a minimum, and no invisible cars). Bond should be in his mid to late 30s. Something happens and MI5 gets fucked up, lots of people, including M, dead. Bond goes into hiding. He meets Q (a new Q, not R or any other shit and not John Cleese) secretly and Q kits him out with all that he could manage to get hold of - a few guns and gadgets. Bond then goes about getting the people who done this and saving the world. The Bond music can stay, but that's about it. We need to go back to a Dalton style Bond. The Dalton movies did have humour, despite what some people say (what about the bit where he parachutes onto the girl's boat, shouts 'nothing to declare' as he bobsleighs over the border on a double bass? - that was bond humour, not all this Brosnan era 'Cunning luinguist' crap). They should also cast an unknown. And Irvin Kershner should direct (Never say never again may be unofficial, but it's one of the 5 best in my opinion).


You hit the nail on the head.


*shakes head in disbelief *

I say we need to go back to the Connery era not the Dalton era. The Dalton era put the Bond series into a dark age from which it has not recovered. And this "Brosnan era 'Cunning luinguist' crap" was done in the Connery and Moore era and is (IMHO) part of Bond.
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The Spy Who Loved Me (great movie, awful soundtrack)
Moonraker (Did they even READ the book?)


Awful soundtrack? Whaat? Heehe I supposed people don't appreciate cheesy 70s soundtracks as I do.
About these two movies: I can't belive no one mentioned Bond's most memorable vilain/henchman: Jaws!

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Sometimes I wonder how much preferring the old Bond films is based on how good they actually were and how much is nostalgia.


Well, can't one say the same about Star Wars?
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I read the Moonraker novel, its a pretty good cold war story.

What in the world were they on when they thought that the book had any of the things the movie had in it?

Moonraker also has the cheesiest moment and the least memorable bond girl: Jaws and the girl standing at the window waving when Bond is blasting off and Holly Goodhead(although I think she looked pretty good).
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I can't belive no one mentioned Bond's most memorable vilain/henchman: Jaws!


What about Oddjob from Goldfinger? The guy with the pain-in-the-neck hat.


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Sometimes I wonder how much preferring the old Bond films is based on how good they actually were and how much is nostalgia.


Well, can't one say the same about Star Wars?


good point.
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I read the Moonraker novel, its a pretty good cold war story.

What in the world were they on when they thought that the book had any of the things the movie had in it?

Moonraker also has the cheesiest moment and the least memorable bond girl: Jaws and the girl standing at the window waving when Bond is blasting off and Holly Goodhead(although I think she looked pretty good).



What you have to do is find a way to over look the the cheesy stuff. Don't take them too seriously. Stop comparing the Bond movies to the books. No, the Bond movies of this era wheren't anywhere near close to the Book, they weren't trying to be. . No, they weren't realistic. No, they weren't dark or serious like some of the books are. They weren't trying to be realistic,dark, or serious. They were trying to be entertaining, funny, and fun to watch, and they succeeded. They weren't trying to show the real life of a spy. They were just trying to make good spy movies and live up to everyone's fantasy of what being a spy is like. You may perfer the darker Bond, but Bond was much more popular when it was light, funny, and (IMHO) better.

Just look at Frankenstein. The Boris Karloff version is nowhere near accurate to the book. Certainly not realistic. This does not make it bad. It is considered a classic. A movie doesn't have to accurate to the book to be good. This is true with the Bond movies.


Bond doesn't need to be dark, serious or realistic. If you want that, go watch somting else. But don't change Bond. Let Bond be Bond.

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No, Fleming didn't write a DAD novel.

But there is a Raymond Benson novelization that is supposedly superior to the movie version.
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I wouldn't find that hard to believe.

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Sounds like you are not a fan of Halle Berry.
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I understand him.
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She's not a bad actress, but basically, and this is not intended as a racist remark, but I basically think she won an oscar becaue her dad was black and because she's 'willing' to get naked; I've not seen anything oscar-calliber from her at all.

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I think I'd have to agree; Halle really isn't all that.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

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True, but then again, whoever it was playing Miranda Frost could have been a lot better as well.

Also, am I the only one who thought 'Jynx' calling Frost's dead corpse a b*tch was really cliche'd, childish, and altogether painful to watch?

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I have never seen the movie that won Berry the Oscar. So I can't judge. Who do you think should have won the oscar that year?
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I don't give a flip about the Oscars, and I'm not sure even what year she won.

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She won in 2001 for Monsters Ball.
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I knew what movie... anyway.

Sequels that should never be: Toy Story 3. Disney going it alone without Pixar? That has disaster written all over it.

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The only thing that can save us from Toy Story 3 is if they release it straight-to-video like they do with everything else at the Mouse House. Yeah, it'll still be out there, but nobody will care. After all, we didn't need Mulan II (or I for that matter) but nobody is even wasting the breath on it since it's straight-to-video.

<prediction tongue="in-cheek">
If TS3 does get released, Generation Y will create its own set of forums called OriginalToyStory.com (That's OTS.com for short) and complain about how Disney raped their childhood. Jimb0 will likely join that board and clutter it up in defense of Eisner's creative decisions for the past decade. DanielB, who has never edited a spec of video, will come on and complain about how the second issue of "bloopers" and the digital remastering for the Toy Story 2 DVD are heresy because they destroyed the entire vibe of its theatrical release. Then he'll tell everybody how they can restore it and improve upon it. Then he'll dump all over Toy Story 3, and though they'll agree with his analysis, he'll already be hated by the entire community and be told to F' Off.
</prediction>
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