Yeah, I don’t know how you can think ROTS is great and TFA doesn’t feel like a Star Wars film.
People complain that TFA is too much like ANH but somehow not a SW movie at the same time.
ROTS is barely a movie. It’s half video game and half George checking off the to-do list he has in his head to awkwardly connect 3 to 4.
Yeah, I don’t know how you can think ROTS is great and TFA doesn’t feel like a Star Wars film.
People complain that TFA is too much like ANH but somehow not a SW movie at the same time.
ROTS is barely a movie. It’s half video game and half George checking off the to-do list he has in his head to awkwardly connect 3 to 4.
For all its flaws, ROTS at least attempts to tell a story.
TFA just felt like Disney saying “see, we hate the prequels too, we’ll prove it by showing you cool X-Wings and Stormtroopers again!” and putting their quest to ‘regain trust’ over making an actual piece of art; basically it felt like a money maker and nothing more.
I know a lot of people would say the same about the prequels, but at least George did try to tell a story, even if the execution was pretty off at times.
It’s worth noting too that I’m not here to defend George from all criticism, I’m not as bad as The Force 😉
I think the story in TFA is a bit lacking, but the characters (old and new) more than make up for it.
Ryan-SWI said:
A story about Luke building the new temple and training Kylo would have at least been more interesting than a string of interchangeable events we’ve seen before tied together by “coincidences”.
A story about Luke training a bunch of Jedi’s (specifically the offspring of Leia and Han) would have been made a long loooong ass time ago. You can’t really blame TFA for a 30 year gap; blame Lucas.
everything else is exactly the same or a very slight variation of what’s come before.
I think it’s how you look at it…if you condense the film into meme form then yes but if you look at it with detail then a myriad of difference become apparent whether minute or substantial.
but I can’t look past how obvious a safe-player it was.
After the PT we needed safe. Now that most people are on board they can do bold things and from what I’ve heard Rian is doing something kind of weird with VIII.
Ryan-SWI said:
TFA just felt like Disney saying “see, we hate the prequels too, we’ll prove it by showing you cool X-Wings and Stormtroopers again!” and putting their quest to ‘regain trust’ over making an actual piece of art; basically it felt like a money maker and nothing more.
I find that ironic due to the PT (AOTC especially) being one giant toy commercial.
What TFA’s detractors seem to refuse to take into account RE: originality is the fact that it was the seventh film in a franchise coming almost four decades after the original on the heels of three movies that were absolutely panned for not matching the vibe of the old ones (along with being terrible movies, but that’s neither here nor there). People wanted to go back to the spirit of the original. From the outset TFA’s mission was to bring the tone back into familiar territory and rebuild some of the bridges George burned in the prequel era, and the powers that be deemed recycling story elements to be the most effective way to achieve that. You can say that was the safe decision and that they could have taken more risks, but at the end of the day they had an incredibly entertaining movie that hit so many of the right notes for an amazing amount of people. Will I be pissed if VIII and IX follow suit and hew this close to the OT? Of course, I don’t think they can or should get away with this kind of thing more than once. But as far as the series up to TFA is concerned, I needed a course correction before a Great Leap Forward, and I’m happy to have got one.
I don’t know how big of a toy collector you are (I collect Star Wars action figures), but I can tell you, the merch whoring is much more intense than that of the PT, or at least for AOTC and ROTS 😉
Will I be pissed if VIII and IX follow suit and hew this close to the OT? Of course, I don’t think they can or should get away with this kind of thing more than once. But as far as the series up to TFA is concerned, I needed a course correction before a Great Leap Forward, and I’m happy to have got one.
That’s why I said I’ll be more forgiving of TFA if Disney/Lucasfilm can prove this won’t be an ongoing trend.
Will I be pissed if VIII and IX follow suit and hew this close to the OT? Of course, I don’t think they can or should get away with this kind of thing more than once. But as far as the series up to TFA is concerned, I needed a course correction before a Great Leap Forward, and I’m happy to have got one.
That’s why I said I’ll be more forgiving of TFA if Disney/Lucasfilm can prove this won’t be an ongoing trend.
We’ll have to wait for that until the films come out cause I doubt they’ll make an official statement saying “VIII and IX will not be a soft remake of V and VI” but I wish they’d say that though. Implying VIII and IX are at least mostly original of course.
We’ll have to wait for that until the films come out cause I doubt they’ll make an official statement saying “VIII and IX will not be a soft remake of V and VI” but I wish they’d say that though. Implying VIII and IX are at least mostly original of course.
Some of the leaks I’ve seen for 8 (verified ones, not weird fanficiton ‘script leaks’) have given me high hopes for it, so I’m actually eagerly awaiting the film.
Part of my disdain for TFA is definitely due to my expectations. They weren’t fulfilled and I felt a bit cheated waiting 10 years for something that I felt was way too similar for my liking.
I have plenty of friends who love TFA and I don’t mind at all; I’m honestly glad so many people like it, I just personally can’t do it myself.
I’d rather have fun but unoriginal material than terrible yet (arguably) somewhat original material.
The Person in Question
I’ll bet that was the songwriting premise for led Zeppelin.
I’ll bet that was the songwriting premise for led Zeppelin.
Exactly. But their work post-Led Zeppelin II revealed that they had some tricks up their sleeves, and had some lovely, original material. I don’t buy that Stairway was heavily influenced by Spirit, by the way. Even if it was, there is no plagiarism involved.
The Person in Question
We’ll have to wait for that until the films come out cause I doubt they’ll make an official statement saying “VIII and IX will not be a soft remake of V and VI” but I wish they’d say that though. Implying VIII and IX are at least mostly original of course.
Some of the leaks I’ve seen for 8 (verified ones, not weird fanficiton ‘script leaks’) have given me high hopes for it, so I’m actually eagerly awaiting the film.
Who exactly verified these leaks? I’ve stayed clear of them but to my knowledge none of them have been confirmed by anyone.
Part of my disdain for TFA is definitely due to my expectations. They weren’t fulfilled and I felt a bit cheated waiting 10 years for something that I felt was way too similar for my liking.
Ironically enough I expected TFA to be a 7/10 affair. Pretty good but nothing special. Boy were me expectations exceeded.
I have plenty of friends who love TFA and I don’t mind at all; I’m honestly glad so many people like it, I just personally can’t do it myself.
I’m glad that you’re not one of those people who hate TFA and feel a compulsion to tear others down and name call because someone has a different opinion then yours. Any type of deviation from that type of narcissism is good to have.
LuckyGungan2001 said:
-Visual effects (I would have never thought that this would be the case)
Doubt it
Actually yeah, you’re right. Civil War did have superior effects, though certainly not good by today’s standards.
Not enough people read the EU.
I don’t know how big of a toy collector you are (I collect Star Wars action figures), but I can tell you, the merch whoring is much more intense than that of the PT, or at least for AOTC and ROTS 😉
Nothing made for TFA can top this.
Where were you in '77?
Do you remember when the PT came out? I don’t say that in a rude way, but were you at least a young adult or teenager during the TPM hype? It was insane, and there was Star Wars stuff everywhere, and not just in the toy aisle. I remember ROTS characters showing up on pizza boxes and soda bottles, and AOTC stuff showing up on Chef Boyardey (or however the hell you spell that asshole’s name) cans. The hype was pretty crazy for TFA also, but I don’t think anything could quite replicate the climate of the PT.
The Person in Question
Chef Boyardey (or however the hell you spell that asshole’s name)
Hey! What did that asshole ever do to you?!
I don’t know how big of a toy collector you are (I collect Star Wars action figures), but I can tell you, the merch whoring is much more intense than that of the PT, or at least for AOTC and ROTS 😉
Nothing made for TFA can top this.
Look you’ve got me there.
I’ve only seen The Godfather once and never seen 2 at all. I don’t have a good excuse.
Beautiful movie. Like the first, feels like you ought to be able to hang it up on a wall in a frame. Looks gorgeous, gorgeous soundtrack, and very interesting Robert DeNiro character. Classic.
-TM
Jar-Jar is the Emperor in the extra special edition of ROTJ (scenes 1, 3, and then 6 to the end).
Revenge of the Sith-years since I saw this. I guess it’s OK in places.
Just can’t help remembering how astonished I was back in 2005 on opening night about how fake all the spaceships looked at the beginning. It was a cartoon.
Jar-Jar is the Emperor in the extra special edition of ROTJ (scenes 1, 3, and then 6 to the end).
I have never seen any Godfather movie. Probably should.
I have never seen any Godfather movie. Probably should.
+1
I’ve never seen the third one. Is it legitimately as bad as people make it sound, or is it just that it would have been better to leave it alone?
Ryan I’m still waiting for you to cite a reputable source that can attest to the validity of the Episode VIII leaks…
I’ve never seen the third one. Is it legitimately as bad as people make it sound, or is it just that it would have been better to leave it alone?
The latter.
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