JediExile said:
Yeah I guess you’re right. I give up on this point, I’ll see the movie again sometime and see how it works out in my mind when I watch the scene after this conversation.

Most of the people I’ve talked to get the idea that Kylo is just some kid trying to be something he isn’t.

I gain new perspective on the film every time I see it. Hopefully watching it again either reaffirms your position on the matter or leads you to see my point of view 😃

Yeah it makes him fun to watch, if a little bit goofy at times.

I don’t know if goofy is the right word. Jar Jar is goofy.

Does Vader actually realize that Palpatine manipulated him after all those years though? I always thought that he was just building up guilt over the years and killing his son in that situation was the breaking point.

He figures it out in one of the Vader comics.

I’ll need to watch the scene again, but it hit me that he was unhinged.

That’s an understatement lol

TV’s Frink said:
THE TWO OF YOU QUOTE-WALLING BACK AND FORTH IS REALLY ANNOYING.