JediExile said:
Vader did love Luke, but not nearly to the extent Han loved Kylo really. Kylo definitely feels something for Han, but I still wouldn’t compare that to the conflict between Vader and Luke.Han loving Ben doesn’t mean shit because he wasn’t the one who was tasked killing a loved one. And I’m not saying the situations are exact but they’re similar enough to warrant saying “By the grace of your training I will not be seduced”
Yeah I guess you’re right. I give up on this point, I’ll see the movie again sometime and see how it works out in my mind when I watch the scene after this conversation.
Most of the people I’ve talked to get the idea that Kylo is just some kid trying to be something he isn’t.
And that’s part of what makes him so compelling. This man is literally willing himself to be evil and I think like Sean Gillis (who pretty much convinced himself he was a serial killer at heart) Kylo will convince himself he is of the Dark Side to the point in which that line of thought becomes permanently ingrained in his mind
Yeah it makes him fun to watch, if a little bit goofy at times.
He did kill Han and that gives me hope he won’t turn, but if Anakin could slaughter most of the Jedi and take part in blowing up a planet and STILL be redeemed, Kylo can too.
Well Vader had a couple of reasons to turn. One being that Palpatine lied to him about everything and his compassion for his son. Kylo doesn’t have any reasons thus far and we don’t know what he thinks of his mother. I can’t wait to find out though
Does Vader actually realize that Palpatine manipulated him after all those years though? I always thought that he was just building up guilt over the years and killing his son in that situation was the breaking point.
I don’t see the issue with the “Han Solo can’t save you” line. Rey was emotionally attached to him and Kylo figured this out when he probed her mind earlier. Also the wound beating seemed more practical (at least in terms of Star Wars) than not. I always saw it as him inflicting more pain on himself to help himself draw from the dark side more. Very cool moment, I kind of wish he did that throughout the fight.
It’s the way he said “Han Solo can’t save you” , and the look in his eyes that makes me think he’s a little mentally unstable. And I agree it is a great moment; it’s those small moments which adds to overall development of the character in a significant way. And he did do it again after his first pass with Finn.
I’ll need to watch the scene again, but it hit me that he was unhinged.
All this back and forth is making me nunb.
You seem annoyed at this conversation, why?
There has been a lot of PT fanboys on here as of late. We haven’t seen many real discussions around here in a while.
What’s wrong with people who like the PT though? They’re fun movies, all Star Wars movies are pretty fun to watch. Minus Attack of the Clones of course, that movie is really terrible.
All this back and forth is making me nunb.
You seem annoyed at this conversation, why?
You seem confused by my annoyance, why?
Well it doesn’t seem like you’ve really engaged in conversation about TFA in the last few or more pages. It’s a little odd to be annoyed by a conversation you’re not even a part of, especially on a forum. If the way I’m replying to posts bothers you, speak up and I can rework my posts. There’s no need to poke fun at me for doing nothing though.