JediExile said:
Yes, you’re right that Vader turning to the light is fairly unique in canon (I think? I haven’t watched TCW all the way through and I can’t be bothered to watch Rebels). When Kylo is speaking to Snoke though, he is talking about him and his father, not Luke and Vader. The use of the word seduced doesn’t mean anything for Vader’s redemption. Like I said, it might help enlighten the viewer to how the First Order views going back to the light, but not how the First Order views Vader himself.
It doesn’t matter if he’s talking about having to kill Han or not. Clearly the situations in TFA and ROTJ are similar so him saying he will not be seduced ties into Vader. It’s just not explicitly stated because it doesn’t need to me.
It’s important when you have a Sith who worships the man who was partially responsible for the downfall of the Empire. If Snoke accepts Kylo’s worship towards Vader then it’s not hard to assume that the Knights of Ren/First Order does too. So how does Kylo and company feel about his redemption? It was an extremely important part of his character in RotJ and his redemption goes completely ignored in the TFA. All it needed was one scene, justifying the worship of his power over his actions against the Empire and it wouldn’t be an issue.
For one Kylo Ren is not a Sith. Secondly, since he knows about Vader’s redemption and he says “by the grace of your training I will not be seduced” means he was seduced by the enemy and the light side by extension. Any user of the Dark Side is going to look at such a thing with disdain and disappointment. Having a Dark Sider talk about how he feels about Vader’s turn is a bit redundant don’t you think?
I mentioned a deleted scene of Snoke going over Vader’s redemption before, but can’t seem to find it now. If anyone could find and link it that’d be great.
It’s not a deleted scene; it’s a scene in the novelization.
That doesn’t explain anything.
“Oh shit, there’s danger” doesn’t really explain the existence of a “Resistance” when there should just be a Republic Army dealing with the First Order.
Having the Republic deal with The First Order is another layer into the conversation. The Resistance was created as a backroom type of way to destroy the First Order. If you include the whole treaty the conversation shifts immensely.
People seem to think that a Mary Sue is just a character that can do amazing things that others can’t, but if that were true then most Force users would be Mary Sues/Gary Stus.
Truer words have never been spoken
Yes I realize she was having a hard time flying the Falcon in the beginning, but the rest of her flight honestly makes those little issues in the beginning seem like a joke.
Almost crashing the ship is not a little issue. It could have gotten them killed or captured. Furthermore she got hit twice during the chase and showed visible difficulty while doing the most mundane things with the Falcon. We never saw any type of difficulty flying the Falcon/X-Wing/Snow Speeder with Luke or Han
I mean she flies the thing through the hollowed hull of a Star Destroyer. Like hot fucking damn that thing gave her less room to maneuver than the Trench on the Death Star ever did.
That was impressive but even then she still barely made it out of there.
I don’t really understand why he was having trouble with aiming the turret though, Luke and Han made it look really easy
Yeah that’s why it took Han 43 seconds to destroy the first TIE Fighter.
This is all just speculation though, her flying was great.
Overall it was a pretty good performance. Not on Han and Luke’s level. Hell I wouldn’t even put her up with Wedge.
The line about Womp Rats enforces Luke’s own ability to make the shot without the Force and his shooting in the dog fight. It’s definitely not just a throwaway line, it makes the shot more believable. The Force did help Luke the most in that situation, I will agree.
Even before training Force Wielders show manifestation of their affinity for The Force from time to time. Something like bulls-eyeing womp rats could be considered one of those early manifestations.