While the use of the word “seduced” might imply that’s how the First Order might view those who go back/fall to the light, it doesn’t tell us anything about Vader who is partially responsible for the necessity of a splinter group.
Maybe but then again in canon someone turning back to the light in such a circumstance has only happened in Vader’s case.
Yes, you’re right that Vader turning to the light is fairly unique in canon (I think? I haven’t watched TCW all the way through and I can’t be bothered to watch Rebels). When Kylo is speaking to Snoke though, he is talking about him and his father, not Luke and Vader. The use of the word seduced doesn’t mean anything for Vader’s redemption. Like I said, it might help enlighten the viewer to how the First Order views going back to the light, but not how the First Order views Vader himself.
Do they hate him for it? Do they focus on his achievements? Do they deny his fall at all and blame the death of the Emperor on Luke? Is it just Kylo Ren that worships him? Why does Kylo Ren exactly worship him? Was it a moment of weakness or a definite betrayal?
Most of those questions don’t need to be answered unless you see every Storm Trooper or Imperial Commander having conversations about Vader or having Vader memorabilia everywhere. The only person who seems to have any admiration for Vader is of course Kylo Ren and it should be self explanatory why he worships Vader. If not read Lords of The Sith; Lord Vader was pretty much a god in his prime.
It’s important when you have a Sith who worships the man who was partially responsible for the downfall of the Empire. If Snoke accepts Kylo’s worship towards Vader then it’s not hard to assume that the Knights of Ren/First Order does too. So how does Kylo and company feel about his redemption? It was an extremely important part of his character in RotJ and his redemption goes completely ignored in the TFA. All it needed was one scene, justifying the worship of his power over his actions against the Empire and it wouldn’t be an issue. I mentioned a deleted scene of Snoke going over Vader’s redemption before, but can’t seem to find it now. If anyone could find and link it that’d be great.
That’s perfectly fine and all, but that’s not what concerns me. Sure, the Republic supported the Resistance, but that doesn’t tell me why there is a Resistance.
“Their shadow is spreading across the galaxy” - Maz about the First Order
That’s why
That doesn’t explain anything.
“Oh shit, there’s danger” doesn’t really explain the existence of a “Resistance” when there should just be a Republic Army dealing with the First Order.
That doesn’t tell me what happened to the Republic’s army.
This is something they could have explained. They also don’t mention the treaty at all which is pretty mandatory.
Yeah that was my point. The idea of an army being supported by the Republic fighting against the First Order instead of the Republic actually fighting the First Order is really odd and needs to be explained.
Gonna disagree about Rey. She’s not a Mary Sue
I never said she was a Mary Sue, I said “Call her a Mary Sue if you want” because even when I explain this kind of shit people still call her that anyway.
I wasn’t saying you said she was a Mary Sue. I was just saying I don’t believe she is one. She has struggles and failures, but I feel that her achievements overall put those struggles in the background. People seem to think that a Mary Sue is just a character that can do amazing things that others can’t, but if that were true then most Force users would be Mary Sues/Gary Stus.
but that scene with her “struggling” to fly the Falcon was pretty much her having a rough takeoff and skimming the sand wasn’t much of a struggle.
So her almost crashing the ship before the flight began isn’t even struggling…are you serious? And her skidding across the ground along with her being hit a couple of time and the shots of her in the cockpit showing her struggling to fly the thing (in contrast to Han who had absolutely no struggle and flew into an asteroid field like it’s nothing) shows that she was having more than a hard time piloting the Falcon.
Yes I realize she was having a hard time flying the Falcon in the beginning, but the rest of her flight honestly makes those little issues in the beginning seem like a joke. I mean she flies the thing through the hollowed hull of a Star Destroyer. Like hot fucking damn that thing gave her less room to maneuver than the Trench on the Death Star ever did. I think Han landing at lightspeed is still more impressive, but man if that’s not an achievement in piloting when you’re unfamiliar with a ship, I don’t know what is.
TIE Fighters with clever evasion skills,
Those clever evasion skills would have meant nothing had Finn not shot down the first TIE Fighter. Before then she got hit at least twice.
I’m not sure about that. Finn did do good with the first TIE Fighter (I don’t really understand why he was having trouble with aiming the turret though, Luke and Han made it look really easy, you move the sticks to position your seat for a better look at what you’re shooting at. It seemed really convenient actually more than confusing), but I think Rey flying through the Star Destroyer would have caused a lot more issues for 2 TIEs. This is all just speculation though, her flying was great.
LThe most impressive thing he really did in that battle was land the shot at the end, but during a couple of moments before the Trench Run Obi-Wan guided him through the Force and like I said earlier Luke wasn’t exactly new to hitting 2 meter targets.
Targeting computers in a futuristic world couldn’t even hit that 2 meter wide mark. It was because of The Force. The throw away line about womp rats means nothing.
The line about Womp Rats enforces Luke’s own ability to make the shot without the Force and his shooting in the dog fight. It’s definitely not just a throwaway line, it makes the shot more believable. The Force did help Luke the most in that situation, I will agree.