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Post #934376

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Lord Haseo
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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25-Apr-2016, 8:03 AM

JediExile said:
Once again though, the use of one word in a very specific situation can’t be applied to another situation like that.

Yes it can and it does. Why else would he say that when being put in a position where he has to fight or kill a loved one?

While the use of the word “seduced” might imply that’s how the First Order might view those who go back/fall to the light, it doesn’t tell us anything about Vader who is partially responsible for the necessity of a splinter group.

Maybe but then again in canon someone turning back to the light in such a circumstance has only happened in Vader’s case.

Do they hate him for it? Do they focus on his achievements? Do they deny his fall at all and blame the death of the Emperor on Luke? Is it just Kylo Ren that worships him? Why does Kylo Ren exactly worship him? Was it a moment of weakness or a definite betrayal?

Most of those questions don’t need to be answered unless you see every Storm Trooper or Imperial Commander having conversations about Vader or having Vader memorabilia everywhere. The only person who seems to have any admiration for Vader is of course Kylo Ren and it should be self explanatory why he worships Vader. If not read Lords of The Sith; Lord Vader was pretty much a god in his prime.

That’s perfectly fine and all, but that’s not what concerns me. Sure, the Republic supported the Resistance, but that doesn’t tell me why there is a Resistance.

“Their shadow is spreading across the galaxy” - Maz about the First Order

That’s why

That doesn’t tell me what happened to the Republic’s army.

This is something they could have explained. They also don’t mention the treaty at all which is pretty mandatory.

Gonna disagree about Rey. She’s not a Mary Sue

I never said she was a Mary Sue, I said “Call her a Mary Sue if you want” because even when I explain this kind of shit people still call her that anyway.

but that scene with her “struggling” to fly the Falcon was pretty much her having a rough takeoff and skimming the sand wasn’t much of a struggle.

So her almost crashing the ship before the flight began isn’t even struggling…are you serious? And her skidding across the ground along with her being hit a couple of time and the shots of her in the cockpit showing her struggling to fly the thing (in contrast to Han who had absolutely no struggle and flew into an asteroid field like it’s nothing) shows that she was having more than a hard time piloting the Falcon.

She still managed to escape from 4(?)

2

TIE Fighters with clever evasion skills,

Those clever evasion skills would have meant nothing had Finn not shot down the first TIE Fighter. Before then she got hit at least twice.

by flying through a hollowed out Star Destroyer with little room to move around in, and by flipping over the Falcon so the turret stuck in forward position and completely unable to move was able to perfectly align with the TIE Fighter chasing after them so Finn could shoot it down. That’s much more impressive in my opinion than anything Luke ever did in ANH with his X-Wing.

Well in my opinion the fact that Luke was able to get at least 2 kills and out maneuver pilots with far more experience is a more impressive feat than simply evading them so that your companion can destroy half of the opposition. Though I will admit that the lining up shot was amazing.

LThe most impressive thing he really did in that battle was land the shot at the end, but during a couple of moments before the Trench Run Obi-Wan guided him through the Force and like I said earlier Luke wasn’t exactly new to hitting 2 meter targets.

Targeting computers in a futuristic world couldn’t even hit that 2 meter wide mark. It was because of The Force. The throw away line about womp rats means nothing.

Also you can really just apply the “he/she just used the Force” argument to that moment while you can’t really to Rey doing a flip and lining a perfect shot up for Finn.

While an impressive feat Rey didn’t need to use The Force (just good timing) to do that whereas The Force was a necessity to blow up the Death Star because it was proven that regular means were ineffectual in hitting the 2 meter wide mark.