JediExile said:
My point is brainwashing doesn’t break in a day.In certain cases it does. Most notably in people who were wanna be Satanists who witnessed an actual sacrifice and were overwherlemed by it
Wanting to be a Satanist doesn’t sound like being forced to fight for the First Order. Also most Satanists don’t tend to do animal sacrifices, at least LaVey Satanists don’t. They just like to act edgy.
I just Googled “Finn” to find out his age and guess what I found: that Stormtrooper that Poe (the man Finn saved from certain death) killed was actually another of Finn’s squadmates and friends. Another detail The Force Awakens decided to omit from the actual movie and shove in another book, but I digress.
Did you not notice the significance of this person wiping their blood on Finn’s helmet and then Finn becoming panicked right after the death of this trooper? Not everything needs to explicitly stated for the audience.
No because the death of the trooper was a very short moment that was never mentioned again and Finn later grouped up with his killer so I assumed that it was a random Stormtrooper. Usually you don’t become friends with your friend’s killer.
I have no idea how old Finn is, but I’m going to assume he’s around 23-25. So for 23-25 years he’s slept, ate, drank, trained, and worked for the First Order. His friends were his squad mates. He was brainwashed by the First Order and watched by them for 23-25 years. Then one day he’s ordered to execute civilians and he betrays them for the guy who shot his friend.
Maybe aside from that one trooper or some other trooper/s somewhere else he deems them all as evil.
Really just pure speculation right there. Nothing in the movie to suggest that he feels that way and if it’s in a novelization or something it’s irrelevant to the movie.
Yes, but regardless of what the audience does know running after someone, beating them, and shocking them is generally not nice. He didn’t deserve that because Rey didn’t know what Finn had gone through or where he got the jacket. She assumed he stole it and proceeded to get violent.
Well she did start after him but Finn running made him look look guilty and how exactly could she even anticipate that this guy was a helped the jacket’s owner escape from a Star Destroyer via TIE Fighter and then the owner presumably died in the escape?
She immediately started running after him, yes. I don’t know about you, but if I saw a woman that just kicked serious ass and then responded to a droid furiously beeping at me by running after me, I’d get the fuck out of that place.
If BB-8 hadn’t been there, Rey wouldn’t have gone after Finn and she wouldn’t be marked. You can run the blame right back to the little round guy. If she was marked by association, then that’s more her fault and BB-8’s fault than Finn’s.
BB-8 could never do anything wrong. Thinking otherwise is blasphemous
Also how can it be Rey’s fault if she knows nothing about BB-8’s mission or Finn being a defecting Storm Trooper? That’s really unfair.
Well to be perfectly fair, if I heard that someone just died escaping from the First Order and their “partner” just happened to be that someone, I might reconsider being around them. Also I might reconsider letting BB-8 around me.
Also she put herself in that situation, some responsibility lies on her. She chose to chase Finn down, it’s not like BB-8 zapped her until she ran.
Finn doesn’t even deserve a sarcastic remark for her being marked because it’s not his fault at all.
On the wide spectrum of ways Rey could have reacted a sarcastic remark is one of the more tame options she could have chosen.
I agree, she’s not a bitch. She was bitch-y though.
If I’m a wanted man and someone makes the conscious choice to chase after me with a stick, beat me to the ground, question me about a jacket, then talk to me about the Resistance I’m a part of that’s enemies with the First Order, I’m not responsible for getting that person into trouble.
And how exactly would the thugs that alerted the First Order know about them speaking about The Resistance?
I’m a little confused. I’m talking about Rey chasing after Finn and interacting with him after based on her own choice. Not the thugs.
“what if” is not the point. If someone is about to kill you, you don’t stand around and ponder how you should treat the person who is unaware of the present danger. You take action. He noticed the Stormtroopers nearby and got the fuck out of there. There was no other chance to warn Rey.
I’m not saying what he did was wrong (at least in the first case) but he should have let go after he knew of the danger. Also he could have definitely said “RUN” when he her the TIEs especially since he knew she wasn’t fond of having her hand taken like some damsel or a child.
I count two.
And he did let go. And he could have said run, but honestly Rey was acting a little bit ridiculous in the hut checking on the droid that was virtually spotless after being shot at. She clearly didn’t recognize the sound of TIE fighters so I think grabbing her hand and dragging her out of the hut was better than saying “Run”. Her gender has nothing to do with Finn grabbing her hand too. I’m sure he realizes she’s a big girl after seeing her beat 4 guys up, but she still hasn’t dealt with the First Order and she didn’t exactly seem to be aware of what was going on. (And to be fair, she was kind of acting like a child in that scene.)
If she thought she would be able to run better without her hand being held, fair enough
“I know how to run without you holding my hand!”
I meant if she was having more trouble running with her hand being held. Throughout the movie, Finn and Rey ran at about the same pace as each other and in that scene specifically she was dragging behind a little so I don’t see the issue with him holding on a little longer.
Fair enough, but there was no moment before Han confronted him about his lie that even suggested he was bothered by it. He actually seemed to be enjoying pretending to be a Resistance fighter before.
Actually when they come into contact with Han and Rey says he’s with the Resistance he looks remorseful when Han takes a glare at him. Furthermore we can surmise that Finn might have told Rey that he defected from the First Order before that problem with the Falcon started which interrupted him.
I don’t remember the scene you’re talking about so I’ll take your word for it and give up on that point.