JediExile said:
Once again, the First Order should train their soldiers for this. They are an evil organization, they are going to kill innocents. For this to come as a surprise to Finn is a little odd, it should be normalized to him. It makes no sense for Finn to suddenly get cold feet like he did. I’d like to make a correction though, he didn’t get cold feet when executing the villagers. You see him start to have issues when a random Stormtrooper dies and reaches for him. Which is even more weird in my opinion. Finn doesn’t even have a name at this point, is he unaware that he’s just another expendable soldier? Did the First Order not prepare him for people on his side dying?Even if they trained Finn to be an evil prick it probably wouldn’t have done much good in the long run. Though if they had his turn would have probably been over the course of the film. But then again we’re just speculating; for all we know they could have trained him to kill civilians and Finn being who he is was revolted by the idea.
If they trained Finn to be an evil prick, he would have killed those soldiers. My point is brainwashing doesn’t break in a day. I just Googled “Finn” to find out his age and guess what I found: that Stormtrooper that Poe (the man Finn saved from certain death) killed was actually another of Finn’s squadmates and friends. Another detail The Force Awakens decided to omit from the actual movie and shove in another book, but I digress. I have no idea how old Finn is, but I’m going to assume he’s around 23-25. So for 23-25 years he’s slept, ate, drank, trained, and worked for the First Order. His friends were his squad mates. He was brainwashed by the First Order and watched by them for 23-25 years. Then one day he’s ordered to execute civilians and he betrays them for the guy who shot his friend.
“Thief” may be understating the situation. BB-8 saw Poe’s X-Wing explode, he knew that his master was probably either dead, captured, or miraculously escaped. Now here’s this random dude coming along wearing your master’s jacket. The first thought that would come to mind isn’t “steal”, it’s “murder”
“What’s your hurry thief?”- Rey
I’m speaking from BB-8’s perspective not Rey’s. But if a random droid I just met told me someone had his master’s jacket, I wouldn’t attack him. She could have easily walked up to him to ask him about his jacket and THEN chase him down and beat him if he resisted. (Man, that’s starting to become an odd issue in TFA. People trusting each other right after meeting.)
I’m not saying she was totally in the wrong here, but approaching him to talk to him before beating him might have worked too. What I meant by “got in his way” was chasing him down and beating him. He did nothing to deserve that.
That’s only because we know Finn didn’t do anything wrong. If he had stolen Poe’s jacket (and presumably killed Poe) he would have deserved that and more.
Yes, but regardless of what the audience does know running after someone, beating them, and shocking them is generally not nice. He didn’t deserve that because Rey didn’t know what Finn had gone through or where he got the jacket. She assumed he stole it and proceeded to get violent.
Also, being a scavenger and saving a droid comes off as very weird to me. What’s a little more odd is Teedo actually let her take the droid, something which would have been worth a lot of meals.
Teedo would have had his ass handed to him had he tried to engage Rey in combat. He’s about 2…maybe 3 feet tall and Rey had her staff on her.
Kind of odd he didn’t have any protection himself. I’d assume scavenging is an extremely competitive job, especially when your entire wellbeing pretty much depends on your hauls.
No, her complaint wasn’t justified. Finn did nothing to make her a target. She chased after him, attacked him, and then stood around to talk to him. Once again, the droid deserves the blame for not warning her he was on a dangerous mission.
It was certainly by association that she was marked. Also even if BB-8 hadn’t been there Kylo Ren had deduced that FN-2187 was the one who defected so it wouldn’t have mattered.
Also all she said was “Thanks for that” and doesn’t bring up he fact she was marked for death unjustly for the rest of the film.
If BB-8 hadn’t been there, Rey wouldn’t have gone after Finn and she wouldn’t be marked. You can run the blame right back to the little round guy. If she was marked by association, then that’s more her fault and BB-8’s fault than Finn’s.
Finn doesn’t even deserve a sarcastic remark for her being marked because it’s not his fault at all. If I’m a wanted man and someone makes the conscious choice to chase after me with a stick, beat me to the ground, question me about a jacket, then talk to me about the Resistance I’m a part of that’s enemies with the First Order, I’m not responsible for getting that person into trouble.
Yes, he could have said run and hoped she’d react fast enough to not be blown to bits in both situations. “What if” isn’t the point though, he saved her life twice while she was clearly unaware of the danger she was in for both situations. He was protecting her and holding her hand wasn’t hurting her so there’s no reason to yell at the person trying to save you.
It should be the point because he had two chances to alert her to danger otherwise. Not saying him taking her hand was a bad thing inherently but there were alternatives. And holding her hand for the length of time he did the first time was borderline insulting even though his intentions were pure. It’s almost as if he didn’t thing she was capable of running without his assistance.
And once again, “what if” is not the point. If someone is about to kill you, you don’t stand around and ponder how you should treat the person who is unaware of the present danger. You take action. He noticed the Stormtroopers nearby and got the fuck out of there. There was no other chance to warn Rey.
And I don’t see how holding someone’s hand is insulting. It might impair their movement if they’re faster than you, yes. But I would never feel insulted for someone guiding me away from danger and being worried about my life. If she thought she would be able to run better without her hand being held, fair enough
My point on his feelings about him lying is a small one anyways, but even if his reason for lying to her was because he was ashamed of the First Order there’s no reason for him to actually feel bad about lying to her. It’s not like he told her something outrageous like “Ah yes Kylo Ren killed your father, From a Certain Point of View!”
He just met her and their chemistry on screen was really weak.Some people don’t like lying. It’s as simple as that. Even smaller lies about nonessential things can irk people. I’m not entirely sure why simple decensy is being called into question
Fair enough, but there was no moment before Han confronted him about his lie that even suggested he was bothered by it. He actually seemed to be enjoying pretending to be a Resistance fighter before.
Either way, it’s odd for someone who has no problem gunning down his former companions, watching his former squadmate die, and helping the man who killed his friend to care about a tiny lie he made. Finn’s moral compass is just completely fucked if he cared that much.