JediExile said:
Once again, the First Order should train their soldiers for this. They are an evil organization, they are going to kill innocents. For this to come as a surprise to Finn is a little odd, it should be normalized to him. It makes no sense for Finn to suddenly get cold feet like he did. I’d like to make a correction though, he didn’t get cold feet when executing the villagers. You see him start to have issues when a random Stormtrooper dies and reaches for him. Which is even more weird in my opinion. Finn doesn’t even have a name at this point, is he unaware that he’s just another expendable soldier? Did the First Order not prepare him for people on his side dying?
Even if they trained Finn to be an evil prick it probably wouldn’t have done much good in the long run. Though if they had his turn would have probably been over the course of the film. But then again we’re just speculating; for all we know they could have trained him to kill civilians and Finn being who he is was revolted by the idea.
“Thief” may be understating the situation. BB-8 saw Poe’s X-Wing explode, he knew that his master was probably either dead, captured, or miraculously escaped. Now here’s this random dude coming along wearing your master’s jacket. The first thought that would come to mind isn’t “steal”, it’s “murder”
“What’s your hurry thief?”- Rey
I’m not saying she was totally in the wrong here, but approaching him to talk to him before beating him might have worked too. What I meant by “got in his way” was chasing him down and beating him. He did nothing to deserve that.
That’s only because we know Finn didn’t do anything wrong. If he had stolen Poe’s jacket (and presumably killed Poe) he would have deserved that and more.
Also, being a scavenger and saving a droid comes off as very weird to me. What’s a little more odd is Teedo actually let her take the droid, something which would have been worth a lot of meals.
Teedo would have had his ass handed to him had he tried to engage Rey in combat. He’s about 2…maybe 3 feet tall and Rey had her staff on her.
No, her complaint wasn’t justified. Finn did nothing to make her a target. She chased after him, attacked him, and then stood around to talk to him. Once again, the droid deserves the blame for not warning her he was on a dangerous mission.
It was certainly by association that she was marked. Also even if BB-8 hadn’t been there Kylo Ren had deduced that FN-2187 was the one who defected so it wouldn’t have mattered.
Also all she said was “Thanks for that” and doesn’t bring up he fact she was marked for death unjustly for the rest of the film.
All blame lies on the droid.
Half and half
Yes, he could have said run and hoped she’d react fast enough to not be blown to bits in both situations. “What if” isn’t the point though, he saved her life twice while she was clearly unaware of the danger she was in for both situations. He was protecting her and holding her hand wasn’t hurting her so there’s no reason to yell at the person trying to save you.
It should be the point because he had two chances to alert her to danger otherwise. Not saying him taking her hand was a bad thing inherently but there were alternatives. And holding her hand for the length of time he did the first time was borderline insulting even though his intentions were pure. It’s almost as if he didn’t think she was capable of running without his assistance.
My point on his feelings about him lying is a small one anyways, but even if his reason for lying to her was because he was ashamed of the First Order there’s no reason for him to actually feel bad about lying to her. It’s not like he told her something outrageous like “Ah yes Kylo Ren killed your father, From a Certain Point of View!”
He just met her and their chemistry on screen was really weak.
Some people don’t like lying. It’s as simple as that. Even smaller lies about nonessential things can irk some people. I’m not entirely sure why simple decency is being called into question
He just met her and their chemistry on screen was really weak.
I disagree but you’re entitled to your opinion.
No that doesn’t put any debate to rest because this is exactly what I should be finding out as I watch The Force Awakens, not when I go to Google information about the novelization.
The “By the grace of your training I will not be seduced” line should have been sufficient enough. I’m projecting here but I knew from that line that he knew Vader was seduced by the enemy because Vader faltered when put into contact with a family member just like the endeavor that Kylo would soon undertake.