Smithers said:
there are many stupid SW fans but those fanbases are 100% made up of 9 year olds and 30 year old neckbeards.
Well replace 9 year olds with overly opinionated and pompous teenie boppers/young adults and 30-40 year old neckbeards and you easily have 40 percent of our fanbase which is a huge number of people.
or how fucked up the MLP fanbase is
Yeah, bronies (along with Furries) have issues…like serious issues.
At least they produce top tier cringe material.
Comparing the SW fanbase to the My Little Pony is extremely insulting - never do it again please. That being said really hardcore SW fans are often shit, though I think that would apply to most fanbases. The thing that’s great about SW and gives it probably the best fanbase is all the casual fans. SW is so universally beloved that you won’t often find people blindly overrating or criticizing the films. Basically, there’s a lot of love going around and not a lot of hyperbole.
Dek Rollins said:
Now you’re just avoiding making a real argument, which shows me that you have no way of arguing your opinion on the matter.Me posting evidence of their heavy Asian accent is making a real argument unlike you who has been trying to worm your way around it and hiding in the shade of Lucas’ nutsack.
Me posting that is like me debating with a fundamentalist Christian who doesn’t believe in evolution and posting Homo Habilis or something to only meet a response of “you’re not making an argument”
Please find a video of Asians talking that way. You have 89 years of film and television to choose from. And Asian is so specific. Are they speaking with a Chinese, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, or Indonesian accent? The answer is none of those and also not like any white person in yellow face faking an accent. Their accent is unique and unspecific. The closest I have heard was Reggie Nalder (and Austrian who played the Andorian Ambassador in Journey to Babel). But it is not Asian.
I really need to listen to some of foreign dubs to see how Nute and the rest sound.
In the German dub, they have French accents.
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
It is so painfully obvious that George lifted all these characterizations from the 1930s-40s era cinema he’s so fond of, which was absolutely loaded with unambiguous racist caricatures, and then applied them in a well-meaning but very poorly considered and tone-deaf way decades later in his own work. I don’t think Lucas had a racist agenda when he made the prequels, I think he was a kind of clueless sixty-something year old guy with no one to tell him how dated and awful this stuff was.
That could describe most of his 1997-2005 output.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
Dek Rollins said:
Now you’re just avoiding making a real argument, which shows me that you have no way of arguing your opinion on the matter.Me posting evidence of their heavy Asian accent is making a real argument unlike you who has been trying to worm your way around it and hiding in the shade of Lucas’ nutsack.
Me posting that is like me debating with a fundamentalist Christian who doesn’t believe in evolution and posting Homo Habilis or something to only meet a response of “you’re not making an argument”
Please find a video of Asians talking that way. You have 89 years of film and television to choose from. And Asian is so specific. Are they speaking with a Chinese, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, or Indonesian accent? The answer is none of those and also not like any white person in yellow face faking an accent. Their accent is unique and unspecific. The closest I have heard was Reggie Nalder (and Austrian who played the Andorian Ambassador in Journey to Babel). But it is not Asian.
Having grown up with the TV of the 60’s & 70’s here in the uk with the likes of It Aint 'arf hot mum, mind your language, Benny Hill, Spike Milligan, Alf Garnet and a host of other comedies and comedians, the accents in TPM are racial stereotypes and very typical of the type of “white person doing an accent” that we use to get. The nemoidians are very much like the way the comedies portrayed an Asian accent (the Chinese being the traders). Watto is completely the old style Jew (The shop keeper and money man. Remember the hat? Well you know what that was originally based upon…) etc etc. It’s the same type of thing george did with making the bad guys (Empire) British. Was it blatant racism? probably not. More like an old guy stuck in an era past. You have to remember that these characters were based on georges notes during the design stage. he would have given the designers a full description of the character which most likely included what they sounded like. Then , when it came time to record the characters voices, george was there in the studio directing them as to what he wanted them to sound like, including any accents. the accents were deliberate.
peter Sellers Fu Man Chu is very similar to the accent of the nemoidians and the way Nute speaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgMWhJUS50
Weren’t UK comedians doing blackface long after it was taboo in the U.S.? I swear I saw a Benny Hill sketch where he was made up that way, although I can’t recall if it’s was the 70’s syndicated version here or the “unexpurgated” versions that ran on cable tv for a time in the early 90’s.
I do recall there was an uproar in the Asian community when the Seller’s movie came out, at least in the states. Peter did a similar accent playing a parody of Charlie Chan in Murder By Death.
I think most of the Imperials sounding British was also influenced by the fact a lot of those same actors played Germans in many World War II movies around the same time.
Where were you in '77?
I really need to listen to some of foreign dubs to see how Nute and the rest sound.
In the German dub, they have French accents.
In French, they sound a little bit russian (with “r” being rolled) [edit: Q2 fan edit has a french track, check it out if you want to hear the french dubbing]. “Droidekas” actually means something in french: “droïde de casse” = droïd that wreck things. Oh, wait… these coward political maneuvers who colonize black people to get trade treaties signed are supposed to be XIXth century french ? Hell, I’m being offended now !
And are german and irish people offended as well by General Hux (I mean, he’s a space nazi ginger) ? They should be I guess. Are gay people offended by C-3PO (he clearly sounds like my hairdresser) ? Or aren’t just american people getting offended more easily that europeans (swedish not included) ?
Fun fact about racism: in France we have a quite powerful far-right party called Front National (27% at the last election, we do not laugh that much about that but we try), commonly known as “FN”. That’s why french people get an extra joke when Poe names Finn… hum… wait… a kinda white dude giving a black man his name… oh… is this racist ?
^I’m still not convinced it’s as blatantly (and truly) racist as it’s made out to be.
I don’t think it’s intentional. But I think George is fired up by nostalgia for the sorts of things he liked as a child and we know that some of that was serials from 1940s where depictions of ethnic groups and women were more broad.
What he seems to have tried to do here is keep the ethnic stereotype but reflect it onto an alien species or character. Jar-Jar is Stepin Fetchit but with a weird frog/rabbit body. The Trade Federation are cowardly, sneak attacking, robot obsessed, slit-eyed Japs, Watto is Alec Guinness being a Jew, not a Jew being a Jew. Women wear makeup and clothes and have babies (without sex) at a push they work in libraries. Alien women can twirl swords but only if the wear less clothes or say nothing.
I suspect this to be more because George has a very unsophisticated world view which if tempered by a team of advisers prepared to say no can lead to movie magic. If not can lead to disasters. Compare Brody and Sallah in Raiders to the same characters in The Last Crusade. In the first film of that series those characters were characters, realistically feeling people. In the third film they are broad cultural stereotypes played for laughs. Certainly not the same people.
MalàStrana said:
And are german and irish people offended as well by General Hux (I mean, he’s a space nazi ginger) ? They should be I guess. Are gay people offended by C-3PO (he clearly sounds like my hairdresser) ? Or aren’t just american people getting offended more easily that europeans (swedish not included) ?
Well, as Hux was not doing a stereotypical german accent or 3P0 doing a stereotypical gay characterisation (Daniels pretty much talks that way in real life) , there was nothing there to offend people, so you cannot compare those to the uproar about the prequel characterisations.
Weren’t UK comedians doing blackface long after it was taboo in the U.S.? I swear I saw a Benny Hill sketch where he was made up that way, although I can’t recall if it’s was the 70’s syndicated version here or the “unexpurgated” versions that ran on cable tv for a time in the early 90’s.
When I was growing up there was the very popular Black and White Minstrel Show it played in the same sort of strand as The Good Old Days which was partially the inspiration for The Muppet Show.
By the late seventies it was becoming clear that what was genuinely innocent entertainment from a culture reflecting on ethnic situations it had no real experience of to being rather sinister. Les Want was one of the performers on the show and he was doing his usual very popular routine at a Royal variety performance and then spotted his musical heroine Diana Ross and approached her to say hello. It was the way she recoiled from him that was a contributing factor to it being taken off air in 1978.
The Benny Hill sketch might have been a reference to the outcry from older viewers who still wanted the show to exist because of the songs and the feelings of nostalgia for seaside entertainers who had been putting on face make-up of all kinds since long before the UK had a diverse ethnic mix. The Goodies did a similar skit. The intention being to mock the use of black face not endorse it. It still feels weird watching it though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5olIvNVQKA
yotsuya said:
Please find a video of Asians talking that way. You have 89 years of film and television to choose from. And Asian is so specific. Are they speaking with a Chinese, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, or Indonesian accent? The answer is none of those and also not like any white person in yellow face faking an accent. Their accent is unique and unspecific. The closest I have heard was Reggie Nalder (and Austrian who played the Andorian Ambassador in Journey to Babel). But it is not Asian.
Comparing the SW fanbase to the My Little Pony is extremely insulting - never do it again please.
I wish I didn’t have to but even before the release of TFA and people were bitching about Finn being a Black Storm Trooper I knew we were officially a shit tier fandom.
That being said really hardcore SW fans are often shit, though I think that would apply to most fanbases.
Well there are a lot of us so it seems much much worse. But I digress I think most of the turd balls on our side of the fence or kids, teenagers are 30+ year old kissless virgins.
SW is so universally beloved that you won’t often find people blindly overrating or criticizing the films.
Like on the street? Absolutely. But on the internet now a days all most of what you’ll hear is bitching.
And are german and irish people offended as well by General Hux (I mean, he’s a space nazi ginger) ? They should be I guess.
The only thing that offends me is that you imply a Hitler impersonation would be the (stereo)typical German accent 😉
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
I am forever baffled by the amount of people who are willing to take Lucas to task for absolutely everything except for the racial insensitivity. We all agree on a thousand other ways he fucked up making the prequels, why is this one so hard to swallow?
Also, this “takes one to know one” idea I’ve seen come up a few times that anyone who detects racism in these things must be a racist themselves (“Nemoidians only seem like Asian stereotypes to you because that must be how you personally see Asians”) might just be the stupidest and most wrongheaded thing I’ve ever seen here, which is really saying something.
A close second is “This one black/Asian/Jewish/etc. guy doesn’t have a problem with it, so all other criticism isn’t valid.”
Bingowings said:
Women wear makeup and clothes and have babies (without sex) at a push they work in libraries. Alien women can twirl swords but only if the wear less clothes or say nothing.
Padme and Leia were senators and shot people left and right.
The Person in Question
Lord Haseo said:
hiding in the shade of Lucas’ nutsack.Me posting that is like me debating with a fundamentalist Christian who doesn’t believe in evolution and posting Homo Habilis or something to only meet a response of “you’re not making an argument”
Lord Haseo said:
I already did. You’re just being willfully ignorant.
Lord Haseo said:
I shouldn’t fucking have to
how racist this shit is
Lord Haseo said:
Was it really necessary to have me post examples of shit you already know about?
This kind of commentary belongs on Youtube. This is what makes General Star Wars Discussion not even worth clicking on.
The Person in Question
moviefreakedmind said:
This kind of commentary belongs on Youtube. This is what makes General Star Wars Discussion not even worth clicking on.
Other than the Lucas’ nutsack thing I strongly disagree. We all know what that accent sounds like so for him to be willfully ignorant, play coy and to ask for an example of something he already knows about is redundant and you know it. Shit like that is actually what goes on in sites like 4chan.
I’m surprised you of all people would defend that.
MLP has a good number of SW references. I think there might be an overlap somewhere in the demographics.
But those are references put in by the creators of the show. That probably doesn’t have much to do with the fanbase.
But those are references put in by the creators of the show. That probably doesn’t have much to do with the fanbase.
Many of the current studio B animators are from the fanbase.
moviefreakedmind said:
This kind of commentary belongs on Youtube. This is what makes General Star Wars Discussion not even worth clicking on.Other than the Lucas’ nutsack thing I strongly disagree. We all know what that accent sounds like so for him to be willfully ignorant, play coy and to ask for an example of something he already knows about is redundant and you know it. Shit like that is actually what goes on in sites like 4chan.
I’m surprised you of all people would defend that.
I’m not interested in the TPM argument, I’m referring to the constant profanity and the insults.
The Person in Question
moviefreakedmind said:
I’m referring to the constant profanity and the insults.
Lord Haseo said:
I already did. You’re just being willfully ignorant.
Calling someone willfully ignorant shouldn’t be any more an insult than calling someone a bigot. Ignorance is fine but if you’re choosing to be ignorant you should be criticized for it. And getting into the whole Lucas’ nutsack thing would be redundant at this point.
As for the profanity that’s just part of who I am and I won’t apologize for it. Especially when someone is defending something I deem morally reprehensible. So fucking sue me.
Mary sue you ?
Lord Haseo said:
As for the profanity that’s just part of who I am and I won’t apologize for it. Especially when someone is defending something I deem morally reprehensible. So fucking sue me.
eiyosus said:
http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Guidelines-for-Post-Content-and-General-Behavior-Or-How-Not-To-Get-Banned/id/12074
No excessive profanity.
Pretty sure that means like 4 swears in a sentence or in a row. Which is something I’ve never done on here.
Mary sue you ?
Gary flew too?