Hey Towne, if your gonna make a 16:9 cropped version, can you make me a pan and scan version? It’s ideal for my CRT TV and I think most people would agree with me when I say it is the optimal way to watch Star Wars.
Sign me up for one Towne! Star Wars had no black bars in the cinema AFAIK, so I agree it’s completely ridiculous to add them to this project to begin with. I want the original version. I though this project was about the original version but clearly not. Hmpfh!
“Stargazing wizards, stare into the night,
Hurricanes and blizzards, here comes the final fight”
If the sides were included in original film then that is how you must watch it, right? Ironically Lucas’ claim is that the special editions were actually his original vision so where does that lead the “widescreen purists” here…
So there.
The “SE” version you “hate” is also “widescreen”, in your face “purists”! * drops mic *
I hope you don’t mind me being a bit off-topic here, but I just took a look through 2.7 and I think I have a new favorite version of Star Wars to watch. Great work, towne32 and everyone!
I second that! This has to be the most spectacular presentation of Star Wars yet. Brilliant stuff!
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
Hi,
I torrented the 18 GB Despecialized v 2,5 and watching it currently - great work!!!
However I have couple questions… why is it letterboxed??? There are black borders up and down the screen which I simply can not get rid of using VLC media player… I would like to crop it to fill the entire display area but this can not be done since it’s letterboxed. Why on earth would one letterbox any video…
Also, I notice that the film has LOTS of different audio tracks, while some commentary tracks will probably be interesting… I don’t think it’s wise to include for example Polish audio (that’s what subtitles are for)… it just bloats the size and makes people less interested in downloading and sharing it. A preservation effort which nobody/few watches hasn’t achieved its goal.
But yeah, what’s up with the letterbox thing?
Did I just enter a time warp back to the year 2000? Just wow.
Did I just enter a time warp back to the year 2000? Just wow.
You have to warn them! Don’t let them cancel Firefly!
I hope you don’t mind me being a bit off-topic here, but I just took a look through 2.7 and I think I have a new favorite version of Star Wars to watch. Great work, towne32 and everyone!
Thanks to you as well. And to harmy, Darth Lucas, and the individuals in TN1 who worked on that restoration (I know williarob did work on reel 3, so thanks specifically to him).
I hope you don’t mind me being a bit off-topic here, but I just took a look through 2.7 and I think I have a new favorite version of Star Wars to watch. Great work, towne32 and everyone!
Yes! I went in 77’ with my older brother to see this when it opened, I’ve been wanting to put together
a boxed set like the one Harmy videoed as a gift to big bro. I think THIS is the version I will use!
Thanks to ALL involved!
I thought I recognized your foul stench when I entered this forum!
I hope you don’t mind me being a bit off-topic here, but I just took a look through 2.7 and I think I have a new favorite version of Star Wars to watch. Great work, towne32 and everyone!
I second that! This has to be the most spectacular presentation of Star Wars yet. Brilliant stuff!
Very exciting news!
<patiently waiting for it to hit tehP>
So Towne, when ARE we getting the 16:9 Pan and Scan version 😉 😛
and while you are at it, how about a 9:16 for those of us who watch on our mobile phones and suffer from vertical video syndrome? Seems logical that most people would prefer this.
Sign me up! Watching movies on phones and other small migraine inducing screens is obviously the way of the future, don’t let old-fashioned practices like 2.35:1 hold us back from a proper cinematic experience!
For lack of time and better ability to go into this color issue at depth, I found a screen shot that should help me ask my question and make obvious what I was talking about a while back on Harmy’s thread. Has the green skew to the colors of the outside wall behind Luke been adjusted in this 2.7 version you’re putting out? In most of Harmy’s v2.5 shots, when you see that wall out there, it is fairly white, but other times it is obviously fairly green like what you see in the SE…
It’s still green in 2.7, although I’m not making any statements about what it’s supposed to look like. Some guy walking nearby off-camera with a big green tarp can easily make nearby white walls temporarily look greenish – white is by its nature very strongly affected by lighting conditions, so I’d look to a reference if a good enough one exists.
For lack of time and better ability to go into this color issue at depth, I found a screen shot that should help me ask my question and make obvious what I was talking about a while back on Harmy’s thread. Has the green skew to the colors of the outside wall behind Luke been adjusted in this 2.7 version you’re putting out? In most of Harmy’s v2.5 shots, when you see that wall out there, it is fairly white, but other times it is obviously fairly green like what you see in the SE…
2.7
It shifts a bit in the GOUT edition as well. Kind of interesting.
towne32, if you dont mind and still have the mega link, i would like that too. one more seed for myspleen
At this rate there may not be anyone left to download from the spleen. 😉
At this rate there may not be anyone left to download from the spleen. 😉
Well someone’s got some spleenin’ to do.
I still hope it WILL appear on spleen 😃 From your comments it sounds really interesting.
As a final note, after trying it - my opinion is that cropping to 1.85:1 is not ideal for Star Wars on TV… the screen becomes a bit too stuffed and image too near. I would say something like 2.21 or slightly less would be optimal preference for me… the image becomes slightly larger but doesn’t lose anything important from the sides really.
That’s how I prefer to do it, crop slightly but not too much, of course depending on a film.
Somehow this is seen as blasphemy here and deserves all kinds of vicious name calling and abuse.Hard to believe that nobody here would never crop a film at all…for example one with 2.77:1 original aspect ratio… black bars become just too dominant and the image too narrow and small, at least on my TV. One option would be to move closer to TV but that of course is even worse - that is not how human vision works, is straining for the eyes and leads to actually less cinematic experience. So my final opinion on this is that cropping IS ok and people claiming otherwise are simply following the current norm, no doubt initiated by the auteur theory where a film maker’s vision is always seen as the correct one. If the sides were included in original film then that is how you must watch it, right? Ironically Lucas’ claim is that the special editions were actually his original vision so where does that lead the “widescreen purists” here…
So there.
Sorry to drudge this back up, but I’ve just returned to this thread after an absence and I just have to give my input here.
The issue is that almost everyone (and I do mean almost everyone) wants to see more of the movie, not less of it. To suggest that cropping the movie in any way would improve it seems a bit ridiculous; after all, you’d be seeing less movie! The blame rests with our 16:9 TVs, as they are not big enough horizontally to display the movie without black bars. So rather than foregoing all of that video on the sides, we make the whole thing fir the screen with letterboxing, because we want to see more Star Wars, not less.
Sorry guys, carry on.
“You don’t really mean you’ll kill me, do you?” - Juror 8
“Silence, Earthling! My name is Darth Vader. I am an extra-terrestrial from the planet Vulcan!” - Calvin “Marty” Klein
2.7
It shifts a bit in the GOUT edition as well. Kind of interesting.
Worth noting, it also affects the color of the T-16, making it a bit green as well. I’ll need to grab a copy of v2.7 or see some more screenshots from it to see how it looks throughout the scene, but if the v2.7 shot you so kindly provided shows it at its worst, then I think it could already represent a bit of an improvement over v2.5.
Hey Towne, if your gonna make a 16:9 cropped version, can you make me a pan and scan version? It’s ideal for my CRT TV and I think most people would agree with me when I say it is the optimal way to watch Star Wars.
Sign me up for one Towne! Star Wars had no black bars in the cinema AFAIK, so I agree it’s completely ridiculous to add them to this project to begin with. I want the original version. I though this project was about the original version but clearly not. Hmpfh!
Since a few of you actually want pan and scan, this is a project you can do yourself and post on these forums. Just like Towne32 did a color correction of Harmy’s Despecialized and TN1’s SSE, you can take these sources and create your own pan and scan version.
Palpatine: Make the galaxy great again!
Hey Towne, if your gonna make a 16:9 cropped version, can you make me a pan and scan version? It’s ideal for my CRT TV and I think most people would agree with me when I say it is the optimal way to watch Star Wars.
Sign me up for one Towne! Star Wars had no black bars in the cinema AFAIK, so I agree it’s completely ridiculous to add them to this project to begin with. I want the original version. I though this project was about the original version but clearly not. Hmpfh!
Since a few of you actually want pan and scan, this is a project you can do yourself and post on these forums. Just like Towne32 did a color correction of Harmy’s Despecialized and TN1’s SSE, you can take these sources and create your own pan and scan version.
I think/hope the two you quoted were joking.
“You don’t really mean you’ll kill me, do you?” - Juror 8
“Silence, Earthling! My name is Darth Vader. I am an extra-terrestrial from the planet Vulcan!” - Calvin “Marty” Klein
Despite us all knowing that pan and scan is the optimal way to watch anything, they were definitely joking.
I really hope everyone loves my last minute change in tastes as far as color timing goes. I think it’s really the way the film was meant to look.
It would seem it’s a really bad idea to avoid a thread for a few weeks when one of the posts was on April 1st. I couldn’t believe my eyes for a second there.
2.7
It shifts a bit in the GOUT edition as well. Kind of interesting.
Worth noting, it also affects the color of the T-16, making it a bit green as well. I’ll need to grab a copy of v2.7 or see some more screenshots from it to see how it looks throughout the scene, but if the v2.7 shot you so kindly provided shows it at its worst, then I think it could already represent a bit of an improvement over v2.5.
This is one of two scenes that is 100% identical between 2.5 and 2.7. It looks fine to me and changes would really be too nuanced for the scope of this. There are some inconsistencies, but they mostly coincide with the hologram being on or off.
I considered using harmy’s 97se for the bulk of it since I think it looks slightly better, but it makes the inconsistencies larger for the despecialized shots.
I really hope everyone loves my last minute change in tastes as far as color timing goes. I think it’s really the way the film was meant to look.
It would seem it’s a really bad idea to avoid a thread for a few weeks when one of the posts was on April 1st. I couldn’t believe my eyes for a second there.
I’m happy that I actually fooled someone.
