Finn wasn’t conditioned to be evil, (evil people seldom think what they are doing is “evil”) he was conditioned to be obedient, and fed First Order propaganda. Being ordered to slaughter innocents and seeing a fellow trooper die was a major shock to his system.
History is full of people who woke up and realized they were on the wrong side, and tried to do something about it.
Where were you in '77?
- I never understood the relationship between the Republic and the Resistance.
I never understood the relationship between Anakin and Padmay, but whatever.
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The only two beefs I have with TFA which I feel like remarking on:
The abysmal waste of Max von Sydow. This man (who just happens to be one of my favourite actors, BTW) was in The Seventh Seal, for Christ’s sakes; give him a role worthy of his talents!
That BB-8 wasn’t given a female persona (Pretty minor and inconsequential nitpick, I know.).
BB-8 wasn’t given any kind of slightly gendered persona, come to think of it. BB-8 was basically… a metal puppy?
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- The abysmal waste of Max von Sydow. This man (who just happens to be one of my favourite actors, BTW) was in The Seventh Seal, for Christ’s sakes; give him a role worthy of his talents!
It felt insulting to have him die in the first scene of the film. Add to the fact that if fleshed out his character could have been a memorable one.
The only reason I can conjure up as to why they killed him off is because the man is 86.
They may have been going for a Janet Leigh in Psycho angle there. It was pretty shocking that someone perceived as a main character is so abruptly killed off. Maybe we’ll find out more about the character in Rogue One?
When have we ever had a definite female droid personality in the OT? There were female looking droids in Episode III, but as most of those scenes were cut, they were mostly in the background of some Coruscant scenes. They looked too advanced for the prequel era anyway.
I did notice R2-KT had a cameo in the film though.
Where were you in '77?
- That BB-8 wasn’t given a female persona (Pretty minor and inconsequential nitpick, I know.).
You are one weird dude.
From the moment the crawl came onto the screen, I was hooked by the story. “Luke Skywalker has vanished”. Immediately my eyes were wide open and I wanted to know what would happen next. The film kept this level of intrigue up for a while.
I agree. A very good point. Luke’s plot element is completely misleading and utterly useless in the end. It makes the film look like some sales fraud. It initially gives you this very intersting hint about the content that is evetually not in the product. What we get in the end is a rehash of Star Wars with absolutely nothing about (what could be a very interesting) Luke’s plot element.
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From the moment the crawl came onto the screen, I was hooked by the story. “Luke Skywalker has vanished”. Immediately my eyes were wide open and I wanted to know what would happen next. The film kept this level of intrigue up for a while.
I agree. A very good point. Luke’s plot element is completely misleading and utterly useless in the end. It makes the film look like some sales fraud. It initially gives you this very intersting hint about the content that is evetually not in the product. What we get in the end is a blah blah blah of Star Wars with absolutely nothing about (what could be a very interesting) Luke’s plot element.
How? He did vanish and he is found at the end of the film. I have literally no idea what you’re talking about.
How? He did vanish and he is found at the end of the film.
And that is pretty much all there is to it. In other words, almost nothing.
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imperialscum said:
And that is pretty much all there is to it. In other words, almost nothing.
That’s all there needs to be. We were given the premise of the film in the opening crawl, most of the plot centered around finding Luke and he was found.
I’m still confused as to how the film has nothing to do with Luke’s plot element when the plot is about finding Luke. That doesn’t even make sense.
imperialscum said:
And that is pretty much all there is to it. In other words, almost nothing.That’s all there needs to be. We were given the premise of the film in the opening crawl, most of the plot centered around finding Luke and he was found.
I’m still confused as to how the film has nothing to do with Luke’s plot element when the plot is about finding Luke. That doesn’t even make sense.
The film pretends that finding Luke is the main plot. In reality, it is just an empty filler to bind together rather unrelated SW rehash elements. As I said, there really is nothing to it. The film would be the same with or withou it.
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imperialscum said:
And that is pretty much all there is to it. In other words, almost nothing.That’s all there needs to be. We were given the premise of the film in the opening crawl, most of the plot centered around finding Luke and he was found.
I’m still confused as to how the film has nothing to do with Luke’s plot element when the plot is about finding Luke. That doesn’t even make sense.
The film pretends that finding Luke is the main plot. In reality, it is just an empty filler to find together rather unrelated SW rehash elements.
Then why are most of the actions everyone does in the film related to finding the map to Luke?
As I said, empty filler to bind the crap together. The film would be the same without it.
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As I said, empty filler to bind the crap together.
Even if it were filler (somehow) how does that make the plot not about Luke? If so what the hell is the plot about? I know it isn’t about blowing up SKB because that was pretty much skipped over.
As I said, empty filler to bind the crap together.
Even if it were filler (somehow) how does that make the plot not about Luke? If so what the hell is the plot about? I know it isn’t about blowing up SKB because that was pretty much skipped over.
Remove Luke element from the film and replace map to his place with map/blueprint of the superweapon (which is film’s defacto focus anyway) and you have completely identical film.
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imperialscum said:
Remove Luke element from the film and replace map to his place with map/blueprint of the superweapon (which is film’s defacto focus anyway) and you have completely identical film.
They’re both mcguffins but unless that map/blueprint trained and was betrayed by our main villain and is presumably going to train our main protagonist I wouldn’t say they’re identical.
imperialscum said:
Remove Luke element from the film and replace map to his place with map/blueprint of the superweapon (which is film’s defacto focus anyway) and you have completely identical film.They’re both mcguffins but unless that map/blueprint trained and was betrayed by our main villain and is presumably going to train our main protagonist I wouldn’t say they’re identical.
Main villain could have betrayed Luke just the same and Rey could later be trained by him just the same, if he was not missing/hiding in the first place (i.e., no “finding Luke” useless filler).
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imperialscum said:
Main villain could have betrayed Luke just the same and Rey could later be trained by him just the same, if he was not missing/hiding in the first place (i.e., no “finding Luke” useless filler).
Well considering Rey goes off to find Luke at the end of the film and you’d have to alter the script a bit to account for that.
Also wouldn’t getting the Death Star plans to the rebels be considered as filler too? And aside from that the implications of finding Luke are different from finding a blueprint.
- That BB-8 wasn’t given a female persona (Pretty minor and inconsequential nitpick, I know.).
You are one weird dude.
As I said, empty filler to bind the crap together. The film would be the same without it.
I disagree. In my opinion, Luke Skywalker vanishing in a self-imposed exile was sheer brilliance on the part of J. J. Abrams. It was one of the few creative decisions that I liked in The Force Awakens.
- That BB-8 wasn’t given a female persona (Pretty minor and inconsequential nitpick, I know.).
You are one weird dude.
Um, ok.
As I said, empty filler to bind the crap together. The film would be the same without it.
I disagree. In my opinion, Luke Skywalker vanishing in a self-imposed exile was sheer brilliance on the part of J. J. Abrams. It was one of the few creative decisions that I liked in The Force Awakens.
It would be brilliant if it was actually a focus of the story and properly explored/utilised, rather than being an empty filler.
Anyway what makes you think it was JJ’s idea in the first place?
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imperialscum said:
It would be brilliant if it was actually a focus of the story
Did you even watch the film? It was the focus of the movie…
imperialscum said:
It would be brilliant if it was actually a focus of the storyDid you even watch the film? It was the focus of the movie…
It wasn’t. As I already said, it just pretends to be the focus, while in fact it is just an empty filler that could be easily omitted and the film would be pretty much the same.
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