But does it mean the unfinished vilain is to be an idiot ? If JJ wanted to show Ren as an idiot, he succeeded I guess. I just think the whole idea to be… well… stupid. And why would Snoke choose leaders that are so incompetent ? Tarkin and Vader were assholes but efficient and competent assholes. They ultimately fail because of unpredictable bad luck (a gifted pilot out of nowhere - a simple farmer when the movie begins - who got help by an old wise man - presumed dead when the story begins - and by a smuggler who decided to take side for the first time of his life: what are the odds ?). Ren and Hux fail because they are incompetent and are surrounded by incompetent people (Captain Phasma…). No one takes them seriously. Snoke seems as bright as Kim Jong II in Team America.